Pregnant Woman wins right to sue police that arrested her as she was in labor...

[Greenday]

Fryk, the only wrongdoing found by the judges was her being detained. The judges found nothing wrong with them taking her down.

RK, what large stack of evidence are you talking about? The ONLY evidence the cops knew about was the circumstantial evidence that she claimed she was sick. That's not enough evidence to prove anything for her side. And you don't need to be armed with a weapon to still be dangerous.

I don't know where you guys get off saying I think cops should shoot, beat, dismember, etc. etc. everyone. Other than showing you don't know how to debate, I don't get what you are trying to prove. Not once did I say any of that crap. Stick to the issue instead of trying to discredit me by making stuff up.

I think they made the correct call. She had proven herself to be a threat to the public and she had to be restrained so she couldn't continue on. After that it was mishandled but the cops did nothing wrong up until they wouldn't let her go.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Okay. The issue.

Why was tackling necessary? Why would not lesser force have worked just as well?

You can only run so far into an ER waiting room. Then you must stop. There is no place to go. No "continuing on" possible.

Why was it so crucial for two armed men to tackle a woman?

And remember, she does not have to prove that she is not dangerous. They have to have just cause to think that she is.

Possible evidence that she is telling the truth:
1. Suspect in a state of agitation and fear
2. Suspect claimes to be sick and on way to ER
3. A simple look inside the car should reveal woman to be in last trimester of pregnancy
4. Suspect takes off and heads straight to ER, not deviating from direction she was going in initially
5. Suspect runs into the ER, an place she will be trapped in so it's obvious she isn't trying to escape
6. Suspect at this point is obviously pregnant, once restrained, it's easy to see. If they missed it at first, there's no way to miss it now.

Possible evidence that she is dangerous:
1. Suspect ran red light
2.......uh.......

Mark me, friends. I will bet you money that it will come out that the woman told the cops when they stopped her she was sick and instead of helping her they detained her to ticket her. That they let her sit there while they jerked off writing her a ticket, and she panicked, and took off, realizing that she'd lose her baby if she didn't lose these fuckwits.

This is a sucker bet, right here.

[Greenday]

And remember, she does not have to prove that she is not dangerous. They have to have just cause to think that she is.

Possible evidence that she is telling the truth:
1. Suspect in a state of agitation and fear
2. Suspect claimes to be sick and on way to ER
3. A simple look inside the car should reveal woman to be in last trimester of pregnancy
4. Suspect takes off and heads straight to ER, not deviating from direction she was going in initially
5. Suspect runs into the ER, an place she will be trapped in so it's obvious she isn't trying to escape
6. Suspect at this point is obviously pregnant, once restrained, it's easy to see. If they missed it at first, there's no way to miss it now.

Possible evidence that she is dangerous:
1. Suspect ran red light
2.......uh.......

Mark me, friends. I will bet you money that it will come out that the woman told the cops when they stopped her she was sick and instead of helping her they detained her to ticket her. That they let her sit there while they jerked off writing her a ticket, and she panicked, and took off, realizing that she'd lose her baby if she didn't lose these fuckwits.

This is a sucker bet, right here.

Or maybe...

1. They pulled her over for recklessly putting others' lives at risk.
2. She didn't give cops enough time to look inside her vehicle when she pulled over.
3. She ran from the cops in her car.
4. She left her car and ran from them on foot.

Proven danger right there.

But she isn't?

1. Um, most people are scared when they are pulled over.
2. People lie to the cops so pardon them if they don't believe every excuse they get.
3. See my #2
4. See my #3
5. So her recklessness to other's lives may be endanger in the hospital now.
6. This is the only part where they were wrong.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

So why was tackling a crucial part of her arrest?

[Kimmik]

Or maybe...

1. They pulled her over for recklessly putting others' lives at risk.
2. She didn't give cops enough time to look inside her vehicle when she pulled over.
3. She ran from the cops in her car.
4. She left her car and ran from them on foot.

Proven danger right there.

"By the way, this was not a high-speed chase. Williams actually stopped to speak with the officers and even handed over her identification. She then drove away to the nearby hospital at roughly 40 miles per hour. The entire “chase” took one-minute at 40 mph." To quote the article. In the video that I saw it also mentioned that she tried 911 but the call was dropped.

[Nyoibo]

So why was tackling a crucial part of her arrest?

Because people not involved are fixating on it.

[BroomJockey]

Because people not involved are fixating on it.

I fixate on it because that's literally the only part of the officer's conduct I take issue with. If they'd done anything else, I'd be fine. Normal procedure. Tackling someone who's in an emergency room, after they've said they're bleeding? Fucking. Moron.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Exactly. I'm fixating on it because it is the issue. I dont' think anyone would argue about the appropriateness of the cops following her into the ER. Up to that point, I have no real issue with what they did becuase I don't know if they offered to help, don't know if she gave them a chance to offer to help, etc. So up to the point they tackled her and dragged out OUT of the ER, I have no issue with their behavior.

Tackling her was in and of itself beyond the pale. I can't even get my head around dragging her out of the ER after she was cuffed.

[Greenday]

For all intents and purposes, it still seemed like she was running away from the police. That's why tackling was perfectly appropriate.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

For all intents and purposes, it still seemed like she was running away from the police. That's why tackling was perfectly appropriate.

Why would just putting their hands on her and cuffing her when she stopped running not have worked?

[jackfaire]

I think this thread is at an agree to disagree point.

[Greenday]

Why would just putting their hands on her and cuffing her when she stopped running not have worked?

Because you don't know how long it will be before she stops running. It's better to stop her before she actually hurts someone instead of just waiting and hoping.

[Arcade Man D]

Because you don't know how long it will be before she stops running. It's better to stop her before she actually hurts someone instead of just waiting and hoping.

Except SHE HAD ALREADY STOPPED RUNNING WHEN THEY TACKLED HER.

[Nyoibo]

Why would just putting their hands on her and cuffing her when she stopped running not have worked?

Because people don't magically stop if you touch them.

Except SHE HAD ALREADY STOPPED RUNNING WHEN THEY TACKLED HER.

No she hadn't, she was making almost as good speed as the cops.

From what can be seen in the video, she wasn't tackled, at least not in the football pound into the ground tackle, it looks like the most controlled way of bringing her down possible.

Oh, and this stuff about dragging her out, I'm thinking that it's given people the wrong idea, like she was dragged out on her back, she wasn't, she was walked out. for people who haven't and are harping on about what happened, watch the video.

[Greenday]

Except SHE HAD ALREADY STOPPED RUNNING WHEN THEY TACKLED HER.

You didn't watch the video, did you?