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    I saw a guy who was arrested because he refused to show the police his ID. The police told me it is illegal to not be carrying your Identification card at all times. This was the rationale for arresting him. The funny thing there was no reason for them to be there.

    It all started when this kid in his late teens was sitting straddling his bike at a lightrail platform.

    This is not against the rules, Walking with your bike is not against the rules. There are even ways to take your bike on the train.

    You can see clearly to the other side of the tracks the otherside of the platform. A security guard starts yelling at the kid after watching him for 2 minutes and seeing that he isn't riding is bike is just using it as a seat since there is nowhere else to sit. He tells the kid to get off his bike. The kid doesn't listen.

    The security guard then comes storming over to our side of the platform and yells at the kid again. No less than 5 adults from various demographics confront the security guard and tell him to knock it off that he is abusing his power and the kid hasn't broken any rules nor is bothering anyone.

    The security guard apparently doesn't think the kid should be on the bike because he may ride it. The kid tired of being yelled at stands up gets off the bike and walks over to a bench and sits down. Up to this point the kid has not said a word and the guard has been yelling the whole time.

    He follows the kid and continues yelling at him madder now because the kid won't acknowledge him as an authority figure. The kid finally loses it yells back at the security guard pleading to be left alone. The kid wisely instead of hitting him like it is clear he wants to walks away.

    The security guard yells out, "Your not allowed on my train!" As the kid is walking away and then he proceeds to pull out his walkie talkie and calls for cops to come arrest the kid.

    The kid walked far enough away that he wasn't immediatly in view and ran for the train when it came so he could get on and get out of there the security guard chased after him and barred him from boarding.

    I didn't board the train I approached the police after they "apprehended" the kid, he was sitting on the curb upset that he was dealing with a security guard with a power trip and still pissed. He refused to show his ID to the police and when I told them everything I saw they informed me he was being arrested for that reason and that it is illegal not to be carrying your identification at all times.

    Yes before anyone asks I did also call the company and report the security guard.

    Was what happened wrong?
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    I am pretty sure you do not have to carry or show papers of any sort, unless you are driving a car. Then you have to show you have a licence.

    But to walk down the street, no. You don't need papers.

    Kid should have just refused to say or show anything exept to say "I need to speak to a lawyer." Even if they hauled him off the clink.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RecoveringKinkoid View Post
      Kid should have just refused to say or show anything exept to say "I need to speak to a lawyer." Even if they hauled him off the clink.
      Far as I know he was silent the entire time he was there. To the cops he was silent
      I don't know what happened after he was hauled off.
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      • #4
        Yep, it does sound like someone was on a power trip. Sadly, quite a few security guards are like that--they think that their badge gives them the authority to push people (usually kids, or anyone else that they think won't stand up to them) around. From reading this, that's exactly what it sounds like. I mean, if the kid was just leaning on his bike, where was the wrongdoing?

        Also consider this... the local Amtrak station does have security. Mainly, to keep the local panhandlers from bothering passengers. That's pretty much it--security (and the Norfolk Southern RR police) keep to themselves. As long as you're not causing trouble, they'll leave you alone. They may check on you, but that's about it.

        How do I know this? Well, I sometimes head downtown to take photos of trains. I was told by Amtrak personnel, that as long as I don't do anything stupid (climb on equipment, cross tracks in front of trains, etc.) or venture into the little "yard" at the end of the station...I can walk the platforms as much as I want. Hell, half the time they'll tell me what freight trains are coming through next

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        • #5
          Actually, it's not uncommon for there to be local laws on carrying ID. When I moved to texas I used to get hassled a bit because they didn't recognize out of state ID's, so technically I was considered "vagrant".

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          • #6
            Seeing as you can get a DUI for riding a bike drunk, I can see there being laws requiring you to have ID on you with one too.

            But the whole thing is ridiculous. If the kid wasn't doing anything and was just sitting there, I don't see why the security did that except for getting a boner for abusing power.
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            • #7
              Near as I could figure it was because the kid was wearing a jacket with an Anarchy symbol on it.
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              • #8
                I think the guard was a little "man" obviously over compensating for a lack of something.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jackfaire View Post
                  Far as I know he was silent the entire time he was there. To the cops he was silent
                  I don't know what happened after he was hauled off.
                  Well, good. That suggests to me that the kid knows his rights.

                  And that the cops are probably boned as a result of the kid knowing his rights.

                  Probably after he was hauled off, a lawyer was brought in to commence with said boning.

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                  • #10
                    I'm sorry but how can you require someon to have id when they are not doing something that even requires ID. He is a kid, they don't say how old so he may not even have a driver's license and here in Canada they discourage you using your health card as ID so it is possible that he doesn't even have ID. Honestly if anyone should be arrested it's the guard for following and harassing the kid, I like that some adults did stand up for him.

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                    • #11
                      What age is normal for even *having* ID? I didn't have one until I got my learner's permit at 15.
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                      • #12
                        Here is an interesting article about "stop and identify" laws. Looks like in most places in the US, you are not obligated to show papers, and even if you are, there is no penalty for doing so (which leaves me scratching my head, but okay. Let's go with it.).

                        Also, there are some Q&A about this on this site. You will probably need to scroll down a bit.

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                        • #13
                          Honestly even at the time I figured it was bullshit and just "make the annoying adult who asks questions of authority " go away type bullshit.

                          In my part of the country cops are known for overstepping themselves as much as the security guards do.

                          He was probably around 17 or 18. But in my area if your not working and your taking public transit you probably don't have id
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                          • #14
                            I obviously can't comment on local laws, but I do want to say - well done Jackfaire for butting your nose in the way you did!

                            Too bad the kid didn't know his rights even better - such as demanding the security guard identify himself first - fully! And the police when they showed up as well (if they were being harrassing!)
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Slytovhand View Post
                              And the police when they showed up as well (if they were being harrassing!)
                              Thank you a wise man once said Injustice anywhere is Injustice everywhere. Plus people being wronged makes my blood boil.

                              The cops were actually being polite I just think they were wrong in arresting the kid.
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