Plastic surgery

[anriana]

The way plastic surgery is marketed really disturbs me, especially vaginal reconsctruction... it's just icky, icky marketing.

[tropicsgoddess]

I think plastic surgeons really ought to steer those patients to someone who can help correct the mental issue before they start in on potentially causing some physical issues.

Agreed. What gets me is how the obsession of youth and having the perfect body makes people want to run to a plastic surgeon the moment a wrinkle shows up on their faces or because they want to have Angelina Jolie lips or Pamela Anderson bodies.

[MystyGlyttyr]

I have considered it, and I would do it. Which would probably surprise most folks who know of me as the macho tough chick.

Now, not right now. I'm a 40D now and I'm perfectly happy with that. However, I'm not in my peak physical condition right now, not getting to work out as much as I want. When I get into the more arduous exercise five or so times a week for wrestling, I'll probably end up burning off a lot of fat, and as any woman who's lost weight knows, a lot of the weight that goes is in the boobs.

It's not so much that I would feel bad about myself if I didn't have decent-sized boobs, because if it were just for me, I wouldn't give a crap. But I'm also honest about the line of work I'm hoping to get into. 99% of women in wrestling look like fairly muscular supermodels, that's just how it is. Once you get your foot in the door, you can start making your mark, being the good wrestler, but first you have to get looked at, and if you don't have "the look" then it'll never happen.

I don't think of it as a sexist thing. Wrestling is very visually based. Most of the guys fall into one of three basic body styles and it's quite rare to see anything else.

I'm not going to do something crazy with it, though. I'm thinking a C or a D at the biggest. Anything more would get in the way.

[Seshat]

I'm not going to do something crazy with it, though. I'm thinking a C or a D at the biggest. Anything more would get in the way.

Go for a C. Even a D can get in the way.

[MystyGlyttyr]

Go for a C. Even a D can get in the way.

Nah, not on me. My bone frame is freaking huge so a D on me is probably about like a B on a smaller person. I could go up another cup and probably not notice too much. The only time it's annoying is during a run or something like that. LOL

[Seshat]

Nah, not on me. My bone frame is freaking huge so a D on me is probably about like a B on a smaller person. I could go up another cup and probably not notice too much. The only time it's annoying is during a run or something like that. LOL

Actually, cup size is relative to band size. And band size is relative to the ribcage: ie, bone frame.

You know how as you go up a band size, you have to go down a cup size to have the same breast-coverage? And vice versa: down a band size, up a cup size.

So a B on a small girl is a smaller absolute cup than a B on a big girl, but roughly the same visual effect given the different frames.

I'm 104cm/41" underbust. 128cm/50.5" full bust (no bra). G cup. Yeah, my boobs give me an extra 10" around the ribcage. As a wrestler, you really won't want that.

[MystyGlyttyr]

Yeah, I know what I'm trying to say but it's hard to say it. Lemme try again.

I'm already so used to working around a central largeness, with the wide ribs, hips, and whatnot, that it takes a substantial amount of extra largeness to the center to make me notice it's presence. I already work wide and so it'll take a lot to get in the way.

Does that sound more like what I'm trying to say? Wait, I just confused myself with that question...

[Seshat]

I think I get it.

My suggestion: take a few photographs of the type of bust:body ratio you want with you. Let the surgeon pick out which inserts will give you that ratio.

[Shangri-laschild]

Agreed. What gets me is how the obsession of youth and having the perfect body makes people want to run to a plastic surgeon the moment a wrinkle shows up on their faces or because they want to have Angelina Jolie lips or Pamela Anderson bodies.

I've read that Angelina Jolie thinks she looks weird (mouth included). While I think it should be up to that person, I do think that having to go through some sort of evaluation like you would (though doesn't have to be as strenuous) as what you have to go through for a sex change, wouldn't be a bad idea. I honestly think that no matter what, if you want to see things wrong with you, you will. No amount of work you have done is going to change that. That being said, so long as it makes you happy I don't know that I see something wrong with it.

[DarthRetard]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23808301...5773?GT1=43001

It's sad, she was beautiful and amazing in her own way, and yet, because of a society founded on superficial values, she found it necessary to try and be even more perfect. It's a rare occurrence, for sure, but I knew her, and this tore me up. I took her to my sophomore homecoming dance....

[Zyanya]

It's a terrible tragedy.

But not all breast surgery is for superficial reasons. A friend of mine had to have a breast reduction because her boobs were so large they were causing her back problems.

My sister was up to 300lbs at one point, and has lost almost 150 of that. She wants to have some surgery to remove the excess skin and I think she should go for it. If that's superficial, oh well. Losing the weight did wonders for her self-confidence and physical health, the surgery will improve her confidence even more.

[Seshat]

I notice in the article that the family and friends think there was no real risk to the procedure. Is it normal in the US for people to think that there's no risk in surgery?

Out here in Aussieland, everyone (or at least everyone I know) seems to be perfectly aware that all surgery has risks, and all general anaesthesia includes a very real risk of dying.

Surgery is surgery. Anaesthesia depresses the nervous system and is a drug and both of those things can cause reactions. Cutting into the skin damages our biggest organ - the skin - and our major protection against infection (also our skin). Cutting and manipulating tissue involves a risk of injuring it beyond what is planned. Surgery is not to be taken lightly!

I just don't understand the attitude of total surprise that the article seems to reflect. Surgery is bloody dangerous! Do people not know that?

[AFPheonix]

I'm sure you've got some morons even in Oz that would be genuinely surprised about something that the rest of us would think would be common sense.

But yes, this would be her fate if she ever got put under to have her wisdom teeth pulled, too. She had a rare condition that would make her react to many normally safe anesthesia meds. It would have most likely happened sooner or later, as most of us end up having to go under for something at some time in our lives.

[Boozy]

I'm sure you've got some morons even in Oz that would be genuinely surprised about something that the rest of us would think would be common sense.

Agreed. America does not have a monopoly on idiots. They're everywhere, unfortunately.

The US gets unfair attention sometimes because your media is so large and widespread. Everyone has heard of Paris Hilton, for example, but if there's a dumber heiress in Canada or Australia, no one's heard of them.

[Seshat]

I'm sure you've got some morons even in Oz that would be genuinely surprised about something that the rest of us would think would be common sense.

True - but I don't think our media would have reported it quite that way. Which is probably another of the reasons we don't seem to have the same ratio of such people.

I'm sure we do. Unfortunately, I'm related to some of them. (I never see that side of the family.)

I can imagine an Aussie journo's face, hearing something like that. Out of respect for their grief, he'd probably not say anything right then; but he'd also not write the story in a 'the doctors should have toooooolllllddddd us' way.

(Unless the doctors honestly didn't, in which case it'd likely be the trigger for a report on medical negligence.)

But yes, this would be her fate if she ever got put under to have her wisdom teeth pulled, too. She had a rare condition that would make her react to many normally safe anesthesia meds.

Yup. Now, I'd be asking if the hospital and the anaesthetist had done their jobs properly - their duty of care includes being ready for such rare conditions - but every now and then there's one they can't save.