Man jailed for fighting off knife-wielding attacker. Attacker goes free

[Greenday]

Nyoibo, Greenday is in America - they don't get 'cricket bats'... or 'cricket'

Cricket bat, field hockey stick, hockey stick, baseball bat, whatever, I don't see a problem using it to defend yourself. And if while defending yourself you cause the intruder brain damage, so be it. But there's no reason to keep going after rendering them helpless. They can't fight back much less get help so where's the rationalization in beating a now-helpless person to death?

[Slytovhand]

Greenday, you do realise I happen to agree with you, don't you??

[Greenday]

Greenday, you do realise I happen to agree with you, don't you??

Yep, I'm just saying I'm perfectly ok with whatever object is closest. Cricket bat is fine by me. Nice and sturdy.

[jackfaire]

I don't go looking for trouble but I also don't run from it.

I call attacking a detained man to be looking for trouble but that's just me.

[DrFaroohk]

If the robbers hadn't have been there in the first place, no one would have brain damage. Why does everyone get on the robbers side? Just because he was running away? He had it coming. You invade someone's home, prepare to face the consequences. Don't like the consequences? Don't invade people's homes.

Just because its illegal doesn't mean its wrong, and vice-versa. I think sometimes people need to take a big step back and realize that the law was not made to protect criminals. When whatever dude a hundred or a thousand years ago was writing this law down, he was not intending to protect potential murderers and rapists from being excessively beaten while in the process of defending yourself.

Oh but it wasn't self defense was it? Of course it was! It's really easy to look at the situation now and say "well after 3 minutes there were 5 punches and 3 kicks thrown and we traveled a distance of 25 feet in the pursuit, traveling at 10 miles per hour and now I think I'm safe". you get attacked, your heart is pounding, your adrenaline is on a major surge, you've got the well being of your family on the line, no one is thinking clearly in that situation.

and any reasonable family man will fight until he is SURE his family is dead. Not until he's pretty sure, reasonably sure, almost sure, hopefully sure, or hoping the police will hope he was sure, he fights until he is SURE. yeah, you and I are sure he was safe after a certain point, but he wasn't.

Once again, the entire situation started with the invasion. Don't forget that. No invasion, no injuries. End of story. Pretty clean cut. I get told this shit all the time. No matter how badly I wind up getting screwed in a situation, its always my fault because I initiated the sequence of events that led to my getting screwed over. This rule should apply to everyone.

[Greenday]

DrFaroohk, check out the 8th Amendment of the US Constitution sometime. I'm pretty sure "The punishment cannot exceed the crime" is somewhere in there. We want the government to follow it, but it's perfectly fine if the Average Joe doesn't? Adrenaline or not, a person pinned down, by two people, that isn't moving, is not a threat. So beating him at that point has nothing to do with self-defense.

[DrFaroohk]

That's a hindsight call. Of course, looking back on it, he's not a threat. At that moment, can you expect anyone to really tell? How do you know he's not on PCP and about to freak out and kill everyone in the room? Two guys with cricket bats would be no match for him.

[Greenday]

That's a hindsight call. Of course, looking back on it, he's not a threat. At that moment, can you expect anyone to really tell? How do you know he's not on PCP and about to freak out and kill everyone in the room? Two guys with cricket bats would be no match for him.

Because he was unable to already get out of the grasp of the two guys holding him down?

[lordlundar]

Nyoibo, Greenday is in America - they don't get 'cricket bats'... or 'cricket'

"Cricket? Nobody understands cricket. You gotta know what a crumpet is to understand cricket."

Cookie for the reference.

[jackfaire]

That's a hindsight call. Of course, looking back on it, he's not a threat. At that moment, can you expect anyone to really tell? How do you know he's not on PCP and about to freak out and kill everyone in the room? Two guys with cricket bats would be no match for him.

People on PCP don't tend to run away from the situation. They tend to engage. Also would have been obvious from the get go that he was on it.

As for the laws yes actually they are intended to defend criminals just like everyother citizen.

That is why doing what these guys did if your a police officer is considered excessive force.

Question to everyone that backs what was done. Have you yourself never broken any law? I mean have you never even so much as crossed the road when the sign said not too.

[Tanasi]

Greenday perhaps when you've been in a hand to hand fight for your life or the life of another maybe you'll understand. I've been there and I can find no fault with the three men, in my mind they were fighting to protect their family. If the guy didn't want the beating he shouldn't have tried to rob the home.

[Nyoibo]

Because he was unable to already get out of the grasp of the two guys holding him down?

And you know this how? I've managed to get away from 4 people holding me down before.

"Cricket? Nobody understands cricket. You gotta know what a crumpet is to understand cricket."

Cookie for the reference.

Yo Casey Jones!

Question to everyone that backs what was done. Have you yourself never broken any law? I mean have you never even so much as crossed the road when the sign said not too.

Yes I have and I'm fully prepared to face any consequences from my actions should I be caught, what's your point?

[DrFaroohk]

Of course everyone has broken a law before. Everyone has also breathed air at some point in their life. It makes about as much difference.

I DO agree that a simple act of vengeance should be discouraged. I don't agree that's what this was. It's really easy to look back on the situation and dissect it blow by blow and think it was really easy for them to back off. to you and I, the family was safe the moment the robber was subdued. It's obvious because we have hindsight. It's like watching the sixth sense for the 2nd time and realizing how obvious it all is at the end. At the time you didn't know shit.

I see a revenge killing as something like this: Fight is over, everyone cooled off, it's all settled down, and someone says "Ok man, you messed up now I'm gonna teach you a lesson." I see this as more heat of the moment. You can't excect joe blow off the street (or in his living room) to react the same way as a cop with specialized training. They're not only trained to act a certain way but they are screened to make sure they can act that way.

The best way for this guy to not have gotten brain damage would be for him to not have broken into their home. Simple enough.

[Tanasi]

I call attacking a detained man to be looking for trouble but that's just me.

If the fellow was hog-tied on the ground then yes, if he still had the means to resist then no.

[jackfaire]

Yes I have and I'm fully prepared to face any consequences from my actions should I be caught, what's your point?

You made it. You made my point. You are willing to face the consequences of your actions and that is good. However many of the people that say, "The guy was a criminal he deserved what he got" will be calling for the death penalty for the driver that ran over a bicyclist who broke the law and road out in front of a moving truck.

Or if called on their own criminal activity get indignant crying that they are "law abiding citizens" . If someone is willing to admit they themselves are subject to the law then I find nothing wrong with your logic that the person deserved the beating.

It's those who feel that if the laws they break are "minor" or "don't hurt anyone" that they should then be allowed to break any law they want and any consequence of said action is wrong and evil (You shouldn't punish me I am a, say it with me class, "law abiding citizen") that then say that a man like this deserves a beating that strike me as hypocritical.

Great example if you feel this guy deserved the beating then someone who say pirated music deserves to get his computer erased by a virus attached to a song he pirated.