The Male/Female Wage Gap

[Vagabond]

I have to agree with TelecomGoddess - I think you should be paid for seniority. However, that's a decision up to the management. I'm not management.
Usually in most jobs seniority equals more experience in/on a job, which can equal into more efficiency. Usually.

[guywithashovel]

Going back to the original post...no those points are NOT valid. In my little group at work...In the daytime I am the only female. With 4 guys. I'm more organized than they are, I show up earlier than they do, call out waaaaaaaaay less often than they do (because of kids and "i'm sick" and "my car broke down" bs) I'm faster and more efficient than they are, etc etc. I think we basically get paid the same as far as I know though which is something. Although I think I should be paid more cause I've been at this particular job longer than any of them.

That's just one example, though. It doesn't negate the points in the initial post.

[Hobbs]

Air Force? The Civilians in Uniform? They're an okay lot. Get treated a lot better. A LOT of politics go on, DO NOT become an SP (Cop), and generally nicer facilities and posts.
Unfortunately for you they have recently introduced a PT test. Yes. They have to be able to run 1.5 miles and do push-ups and sit-up for 90 seconds. And their abdomens get taped to make sure they're not fat.

Wow, is your info out of date. It's 1.5 miles in 12:30 (males) and push-ups/sit-ups in 60 seconds. They're also reducing the points from the abdominal circumference and putting it towards the run. Also, I take offense to your original comment, we're as much a military force as any other branch of the Armed Forces and do our fair lot.

[Vagabond]

Hobbs, yes, my information is out-of-date. I rarely keep up with changes in the military largely because so many changes occur. I try to get current every few years or so.
I respect all the branches of the service. And, I will mock them all equally, not unlike sibling rivalry.

[elsporko]

There might be a difference in male/female wages but its likely just a product of women not staying with jobs as long as men and not doing a good enough job to earn promotions. Many women are good at what they do but the majority are more concerned with family/finding a man then their careers.

[Boozy]

*Reads elsporko's post*

*Makes popcorn*

*Waits*

[the_std]

Ah yes, because no day is complete without a little stereotyping.

[Hobbs]

Hobbs, yes, my information is out-of-date. I rarely keep up with changes in the military largely because so many changes occur. I try to get current every few years or so.
I respect all the branches of the service. And, I will mock them all equally, not unlike sibling rivalry.

What branch is that then? I'm guessing Army from your location, since it's evident you're not Air Force.

[elsporko]

Ah yes, because no day is complete without a little stereotyping.

Because we know there are just as many stay at home dads as moms. Oh wait, that isn't true. I guess the world isn't politically correct.

[the_std]

It has nothing to do with politically correct. I just don't understand how it's fair to pay females lower wages because they might some day pop out a baby. Is it possible that if the companies paid women the same as they did men, less women would drop their careers in exchange for families? Damn straight. Plus, I don't know if you've noticed, but the stay-at-home mom is becoming far less frequent. Just because a woman has some kids no longer means that she's never going to return to the workforce.

In summary, just because we have baby machines in us doesn't mean we should be paid less because we could some day use them. It's not an acceptable justification.

[Boozy]

Is it possible that if the companies paid women the same as they did men, less women would drop their careers in exchange for families? Damn straight.

That's an excellent point.

My sister loves her job. My brother-in-law hates his. And yet, guess who took time off when they had children?

My sister. Because they needed his salary more than hers, because he made more. Despite the fact that they were doing essentially the same work at the time.

If it hadn't been for the wage disparity, he'd have been a stay-at-home dad.

[elsporko]

I think it has less to do with women and men being paid differant and more to do with women taking off more time and not working as much. A women who works at a job for five years is gone for a few years and comes back when the kid is old enough for school will be paid less then the guy who never left, or the woman who works 20 hours a week compared to the guy who works 40, of course they won't have the same pay.

[the_std]

Except that's not what this thread is about. It's been shown that women who put the same work and the same hours into a job still get paid less than a man. That's what's being debated here.

[elsporko]

I fail to see solid proof of that.

[Kimmik]

I fail to see solid proof of that.

Dude the '50's called they want their thought train back.

Women are just a capable as men, however due to a male dominated society and euro-centric historical dabbling, women are thought of to be less. We have different requirements, till recently if you were a woman and didnt want children you were thought of as "off", we do not have the same opportunities generally as men, and are looked at as an odd duck when we want to go into a "mans" field.

Now a days it is common for companies to offer men paternity time. If my husband made less then me, and we didnt need 2 incomes he would gladly be the mr mom