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  • The climate change/global warming lie

    Basically, pick a story any story.

    Climategate U-turn: World may not be warming, say scientists...
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7026317.ece

    'Lost the relevant papers'... Interesting...
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...organised.html

    The professor's amazing climate change retreat...
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...e-retreat.html

    'There has been no global warming for 15 years'...
    http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/158214

    HOLDOUT: Obama admin scientist on the snowstorms: 'Weather is not climate'...
    http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677...is-not-climate


    My take is that climate change has been happening for millennia. The Eocene mammals were wiped out by climate change, and we sure as hell weren't around then. Climage change is the earth naturally cooling and warming up, and it's got sod all to do with pollution. True, we should still cut down on pollution, but to save US, the human race, NOT the earth, cuz that is hardly going to be affected by a poxy group of primates who've only been around for one second as far as the earth is concerned.
    "Oh wow, I can't believe how stupid I used to be and you still are."

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    The Earth itself will be fine regardless; but it's many species besides ourselves that *might* be in danger. I hope you're right, and that we don't have an effect on climate... but why is it that, almost without exception, the people taking that position use it as an excuse not to bother polluting and wasting less, or at least to put that off indefinitely? The correlation between the two is strong enough to make me highly suspicious.
    "My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl."

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    • #3
      I'll come out and admit that I'm not that educated when it comes to the topic of Global Warming. I haven't read enough into it to fully understand what it is exactly. I haven't read these links yet.

      What I'm wondering about is just how much of the science is correct in it. Some are saying it's not an issue, others are saying it is. Who's right and who's wrong?

      I would imagine the Earth is going through its normal climate changes and cycles. How much is our species contributing to it with the amount of pollutants we put into the air? For years, they've been telling us that all of the hairspray and other aerosols we use is ripping a hole in the ozone layer. Smog is blocking out the necessary sunlight for photosynthesis. The sewage we dump into the water is throwing off the water's pH an natural temperatures causing red tides and whale beachings.

      What effect is it all having?

      CH
      Some People Are Alive Only Because It's Illegal To Kill Them.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by crashhelmet View Post
        The sewage we dump into the water is throwing off the water's pH an natural temperatures causing red tides and whale beachings.
        That one, I can assure you, is beyond a doubt true.

        The other two need more data to be proven.
        Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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        • #5
          Obviously, this was a hot topic in my meteorology classes

          Is the climate changing? You bet. Are we causing it? Unknown. Are we effecting it? Probably to some degree (pun intended). Can we destroy the Earth? Doubtful.

          Though I do think we should cut down on pollution, but as was stated, for our health and the health of other species. And I'd love to see practical renewable energy sources, though I don't think we see it in out generation.

          The atmosphere is so chaotic and weather patterns are really difficult to predict (oh look, a butterfly....). So many factors to consider, its mind-boggling (that's why I took meteorlogy in college).

          Though I hate when people say..."Look, massive amounts of snow....no more climate change!." That's as stupid as saying "No price tag, its free." I think these past storms are just a freak, which weather likes doing just to mess with us. We've seem insane storms before (1888, 1978) and we will again.

          I just hate that climate change (and I hate the term "global warming," thankfully we don't use "greenhouse effect" as a *bad* term) is an excuse to do jack shit about pollution and renewable enegry...since it doesn't exisit..why bother.

          *end rant, I need coffee*

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cat View Post
            Though I hate when people say..."Look, massive amounts of snow....no more climate change!." That's as stupid as saying "No price tag, its free." I think these past storms are just a freak, which weather likes doing just to mess with us. We've seem insane storms before (1888, 1978) and we will again.
            But still though. Many of the claims are always made when it's 80 F out and sunny. You never hear the media going on about climate change...when it's 20 and there's a foot of snow on the ground.

            I for one, don't believe in global warming. The planet has gone through too many cycles over the centuries, and too many variables are in play. Even so, I think it's a good idea we're trying to cut back on pollution and come up with alternative fuel sources.

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            • #7
              Some of the debate comes from biased and/or "modified" research.

              Researchers rely on funding to do their work. The money has to come from somewhere. So let's say Jim, a wealthy businessman who does not believe in global warming funds a study to determine whether or not humans are having a strong imapct on climate change.

              If you are the researcher, you will probably realize that if your results do NOT support Jim's beliefs (That humans are NOT having a strong impact) he will never again fund one of your studies.

              This is wrong and unethical but it happens all the time. After all, researchers need to keep their jobs and bills paid and they don't always stick to ethical/moral grounds when doing so.

              There's so many different elements to the climate change debate and so many studies it's virtually impossible to figure out which information is legitimate and which is not.

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              • #8
                The climate has been doing its thing long before Humans existed & will continue to do so long after Humans become extinct.

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                • #9
                  My biggest question has always been with the computer models that are used to forecast the effects of the climate change if, in the terms of the consensus, we don't stop adding CO2.

                  The problem I have with them is, to my knowledge, they haven't ever been tested against what was. I do Quality Assurance for software. To properly test forecasting software and validate its output, it has to be able to replicate what has happened.

                  In other words, we take 60 odd years of data, and have it 'forecast' the last 20. If it can't do that accurately, then it can't be viewed as an accurate forecaster going foreward.

                  Again, to my knowledge, none of the models that are in use by the consensus scientists has ever been validated in that manner. To me, that's a huge problem with the science.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cat View Post
                    Though I hate when people say..."Look, massive amounts of snow....no more climate change!." That's as stupid as saying "No price tag, its free."
                    This has to be the best comparison I've heard in my life! (I know it's hard to hell on the net, but believe me, I'm not being sarcastic)!

                    I get so annoyed at people who would say "oooh look at the blizzard we had this year! So much for global warming hyuk hyuk!" I always felt the same way about the price tag thing, so thank you for making my night!

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                    • #11
                      The snow thing pisses me off, too. People need to read more. If it's slightly warmer, you'll get MORE snow, not less!! The colder it is, the less moisture the air can hold, because when things get cold, even gasses, their molecules are closer together. Less moisture, less snow!

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                      • #12
                        I haven't done a whole lot of research into this matter. I haven't really felt inclined to. However, I do know enough to know that haven't an unseasonably cool day doesn't discredit what others have said about climate change or global warming.

                        However, I have heard several people older than I am say that the weather is different now than what it was when they were younger. My dad has often said that when he was a kid, the winters (here in Ohio) were usually one steady cold snap where the temperature rarely if ever rose above freezing. However, he has also said that when spring rolled around, it usually got warm and it was often quite stuffy in his classrooms at school. These days, it often seems like us Ohioians have 40 and 50 degree temps in December, January, and February, and then we have a sort of "winter light" in March and early April, followed by a period of "in between" temperature days where you aren't sure if you should say that it's "slightly warm" or "a little chilly." Then, we suddenly move into summer and stay there until mid to late September.

                        Also, one summer back when I still worked at Wal-Mart, we had a pretty nasty heat wave, and several of my older co-workers commented on how they never remembered the weather being that hot when they were kids.

                        Now, I do realize this is all anecdotal and based on people's memories, but still, I think it's interesting.

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                        • #13
                          Strange; I remember the weather now being exactly how it was back when I was a kid. The boiling hot summers and mild winters we had for a while were abnormal, whereas the unstable summer weather and snowy winters were normal.
                          "Oh wow, I can't believe how stupid I used to be and you still are."

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