The obesity 'pandemic'

[iradney]

I am not "condemning" you. 99% of the time, the mods at both these sites do an excellent job. I'm saying that you appear to have a serious blind spot when it comes to references to people's appearance being used as a casual insult.

Take your 'setting the scene' example. No way a post that said "I couldn't see because there was a nigger in my way", or "I couldn't see because there was a faggot in my way" would be allowed to stand. Because the attitudes towards blacks and gays expressed by those sentences are vile and mostly because the race or orientation of the person blocking the poster's view is not relevant.

What about mentioning clothes? Or hair colour? Or even gender? Or age? Sooner or later posts will look like

"There was an individual standing in my way. The individual was very rude in the way that the individual acted"

For fear of offending EVERYONE.

You can't please all the people all the time.

Oh, and btw, trying to compare hippos to humans is not a good way to go. Completely different builds there - unless you know humans that spray their poop with their tail?

You are taking this far too personally, and in your attempt to be a hero for the overweight masses, you are alienating pretty much everyone on fratching with YOUR generalisations about everyone else.

[KitterCat]

If someone is so fat that you can't simply take half a step to the side and see around them, it is unlikely that they would be able to support their own weight seeing as they'd need to be over a thousand pounds.

Strange, My hubbies been on EMT calls where the person was physically unable to walk due to weight issues and they weren’t anywhere near 1000 pounds. Lots of 400,500, some 600, but no 1000. Maybe you need to look at what the human bodies actually built to carry instead of looking at a hippos? Remember hippos also spend a lot of time in the water due to their weight.

As for the whole "we're just worried about health!" thing... if that were the case, and fat was not being near universally considered to be worse than illness, why is it called an OBESITY pandemic and not an "ill health" pandemic or an "unfit" pandemic or even a "people doing unhealthy things" pandemic?

Lets just P.C. all forms of speech so that no ones feelings gets hurt. Like calling people hearing impaired, visually detoured, or vertically challenged. Strange your still deaf, blind and a dwarf/midget. And now you’ve made me laugh because its just to easy to get a rise out of you. Considering it’s an over weight issue that’s causing the problems it makes sense to call it an Obesity pandemic. Same as if it was an underweight issue - like in professional modeling- it makes sense to call it an anorexic pandemic.

It's just very condescending to make fat people prove over and over again that they DO eat well, they DO exercise, they ARE healthy before you'll deign to treat them like people first and fatties second. Thin/average people never have to reassure every single person they come in contact with that they eat well, exercise, and aren't sick. It's just assumed.

Well seeing that most people who are overweight make themselves that way through their own choices as a whole. People aren’t born 400 pounds. People look at them and commonsense says that they’ve done something to make themselves that way. Most people with weight issues are that way not because of medical issues, such as an under active thyroid. Instead they have medical issues due to the weight, such as poor circulation, heart problems, cholesterol.

Very rarely do I ever see an obese person eating anything healthy. And I’m pretty sure that as a norm most people here have run across the same issue. Wither its family members, friends or co-workers, they choose to either eat to much or not exercise or both. And then wonder why the rest of us are left shaking their heads when they start complaining about their health.

[smileyeagle1021]

Being blak or gay are things someone has no control over, appearace, more specifically being overweight is something people have control over .

I'm kind of glad that you added the "specifically being overweight" part... a lot of appearance people have no control over... short of expensive surgeries there is nothing I can do about the shape of my eyes, or the spacing between them... can't do a damned thing about the breadth of the shoulder bone or the hip bone. The same can be said about the shape of one's nose or the size and placement of one's ears.

I can lose all the weight I want and I will still have one ear slightly higher than the other, lose all the weight that I want and still have very broad shoulders and hips, etc.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I can lose all the weight I want and I will still have one ear slightly higher than the other, lose all the weight that I want and still have very broad shoulders and hips, etc.

Same here. My natural body shape leans to big hips and bust; I could starve myself and I'd still have those big hips. I was pointing this out in my last post, which got ignored in favour of vitriol. -.- For the record, I agree that fat people get discriminated against, but this is about the unhealthily obese; not the people carrying a couple of extra stone.

Like this guy, here. At his heaviest, he weighed 70 stone and his care cost the British taxpayers £100,000 a year. After a free gastric bypass, he now weighs about 50 stone... but he still is counted as morbidly obese, and is still costing the taxpayer a crapload of money. X

Most people who are carrying a little extra weight are not in that bracket. They are not costing the taxpayer any more money than those who, for example, play dangerous sports or have lots of children.

[Gravekeeper]

Like this guy, here. At his heaviest, he weighed 70 stone and his care cost the British taxpayers £100,000 a year. After a free gastric bypass, he now weighs about 50 stone... but he still is counted as morbidly obese, and is still costing the taxpayer a crapload of money. X

The articles mention he did this intentionally ( he wanted to become the world's fattest man ) and has no medical conditions complicating the problem. In which case he is an asshole. >.>

[gremcint]

Take your 'setting the scene' example. No way a post that said "I couldn't see because there was a nigger in my way", or "I couldn't see because there was a faggot in my way" would be allowed to stand.

There's a difference between large guy and fatty.
There's a difference between black guy and nigger.
There's a difference between effeminate and faggot.

[Nyoibo]

Strange, My hubbies been on EMT calls where the person was physically unable to walk due to weight issues and they weren’t anywhere near 1000 pounds. Lots of 400,500, some 600, but no 1000. Maybe you need to look at what the human bodies actually built to carry instead of looking at a hippos? Remember hippos also spend a lot of time in the water due to their weight.

The human body is quite capable of carrying 600-700 lbs, ok not far, but capable, I had 3 people on my back, totaling about 450lbs, add in my around 220 at the time and that's 670lbs my body was carrying, I made it 10 yards before they had to get off.

[Gravekeeper]

The human body is quite capable of carrying 600-700 lbs, ok not far, but capable, I had 3 people on my back, totaling about 450lbs, add in my around 220 at the time and that's 670lbs my body was carrying, I made it 10 yards before they had to get off.

I would collapse, curl into a ball and likely die a slow, agonizing death. But then since I tore ligaments back there last year it just doesn't function properly anymore and likely never will again. Granted, even when it use to, I was a one person max ride. ;p

[Nyoibo]

It's kind of what comes of being a circus performer.

[Rapscallion]

Thats really all most of us want. To actually have it be assumed that we're people first and unless we're actually stroking out in front of you that we're as relatively healthy as anyone else who is also not actually dying right then and there.

What you want is more censorship.

We have what I consider to be a reasonable control of things on CS.com. We don't allow blatant 'hippo' or 'hambeast' comments and edit them out. Relatively minor comments will be allowed to stand to set the scene.

I believe I already said the above.

So, you want to compare your plight to that of a onetime slave race? I don't think it's even in the same league, but you wouldn't get sympathy without doing so, would you? There's no law that ever prevented you using the same facilities as anyone else, nothing that said you had to work for others for free and perhaps even bear your master's children, nothing to say you could be uprooted from your homeland and taken elsewhere to work in servitude.

"Hey, I'm a pedophile, but I want to be accepted."

Slippery slope slips in both ways. Remember that.

I'm overweight. It's down to the overly large number of calories I eat, or have eaten. I carry far too much extra weight. It's helped in the gradual fecking of my knees due to osteo arthritis. I'm at a higher risk of diabetes and several other conditions.

You know what? It's my fault and I accept it. It's not my genes or medication I'm taking. I like eating. I don't expect anyone to salve my feelings, to make me feel better over something I did.

Granted, I'm reasonably strong. I did forty-five minutes on the exercise bike two nights back. Last night I pushed a five hundred Kg battery on rollers when it was stuck. I even joked on that occasion that there are occasional advantages to being a fat bastard (colloquialism). However, it's pretty fair to say that I don't really have a sideways.

I don't condemn people for being overweight. I don't accept gratuitous and extravagant criticism for being overweight. I don't allow extremes on CS.com. I accept people for what they are.

I'm quite happy to accept people who have one skin thinner than everyone else. However, I'm not allowing them to grind the forum I run into nothing to make them feel better.

So, I don't believe you touched on my suggestion that you start a forum and see what that's like. I know what being overweight's like. Dare I hope you'll try the other side?

Rapscallion

[ladyneeva]

So it is ok to hate people. Got it. And advocating NOT hating people and NOT treating them like shit makes me a bad person.

Good to have that cleared up.

Edit: Also I wasn't comparing people to hippos. I was saying that they would have to be wider than a hippo in order to actually prevent someone behind them from simply stepping 6" to the side and seeing past them.

[Rapscallion]

Ah, the good old putting words in my mouth routine.

Rapscallion

[Lace Neil Singer]

Actually, no. I'm tall and a fairly big girl, as I said before in my posts that you ignored cuz I was actually debating the topic rather than pandering to paranoia. I could stand in front of quite a few people of small height and build and block their view; and I'm certainly not a hippo. I also have had the experience at the cinema of sitting behind The Person With The Biggest Head In The Entire World. They weren't fat; just large of head and tall. I didn't bother to bitch and tell them to move; I moved myself.

[Boozy]

So it is ok to hate people. Got it. And advocating NOT hating people and NOT treating them like shit makes me a bad person.

Who are you debating with? Who said anything like this?

[MaggieTheCat]

Who are you debating with? Who said anything like this?

I really wanna know the answer to this question, too. Please, enlighten us.