Cross dressers banned from bar

[fireheart17]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/s...-1225837712263

Discuss freely. Also feel free to discuss transsexuals and transvestites in general (there's a big difference between the two-something that my state doesn't quite understand yet)

[Boozy]

Feel free to give your own opinion, too.

[McDreidel09]

Yeah. It's obvious that the article writer doesn't know the difference between a transvestite and a transgender.

One thing that is common amongst transgenders is that they feel as if their bodies betrayed them. I heard Lorne Cameron speak a couple of weekends ago and he told us his life story and I just couldn't even imagine how it felt to be uncomfortable with my body the way he was. Then to have society treat them the way it does, is just despicable.

As for transvestites, they are wearing what feels comfortable to them. Why should what people wear be judged?

Just makes me sick the way people are treated because they just want to be themselves.

[elsporko]

I didn't read the article but if a bar wants to ban those kind of individuals it should be up to them, like banning smoking. Alot of people go to a bar to hook up, they shouldn't have to fear going home with a woman only to find themselves with a man, who may be able to overpower or fool them in their drunken state.

[telecom_goddess]

I think that's a load of bullshit.....people who are either transgendered OR transvestite ( I do know the difference) should be able to go to any place open to the public (barring private members only clubs) without being discriminated against in this day and age. For christ's sake...I find this ridiculous.

[Shangri-laschild]

I didn't read the article but if a bar wants to ban those kind of individuals it should be up to them, like banning smoking. Alot of people go to a bar to hook up, they shouldn't have to fear going home with a woman only to find themselves with a man, who may be able to overpower or fool them in their drunken state.

That's like saying if a bar wants to ban people of a certain race, they should be able to.

These reports followed an incident before Christmas in which another male cross-dresser in female clothing, and his wife, were directed to use the bar's disabled toilet instead of the women's facilities.

I'm wondering if it was a disabled restroom or a unisex one that was mostly used by disabled people. I'm not sure what the laws are but I believe that technically if you are still male, you're supposed to use the men's room. Of course, this can also cause confusion when they are dressed like a female. Really the only good solution at the moment that I can see to that problem is unisex bathrooms and since that might be what this was I'm not sure that I can see a huge problem with this situation. They didn't insist that the man used the men's room which could have caused problems, they gave a different solution. I'm not quite sure what the part about his wife though. I think they would be much better off calling it a unisex bathroom rather than a handicapped one though. That's how we refer to ours since technically it's about the same thing set up wise.

[elsporko]

People can't help what race they are but people certainly can not dress like a woman.

It would be more like a bar banning bikers after bikers keep causing trouble.

[telecom_goddess]

People can't help what race they are but people certainly can not dress like a woman.

It would be more like a bar banning bikers after bikers keep causing trouble.

NOT if they are transgendered, they can't just NOT dress like the gender they feel they are. You're missing the point.

To be fair I wouldn't support banning a whole group of people like bikers just because they are bikers. It should be individual people based on disruptive or criminal behavior only.

[elsporko]

Is there a magic force preventing them from wearing pants? If not then they can wear pants.

[telecom_goddess]

Is there a magic force preventing them from wearing pants? If not then they can wear pants.

Again you're missing the point....would you want to dress like the opposite sex if it didn't feel right to you? Same thing here...they don't want to dress as the gender they were born into because it doesn't feel right...they are dressing for who they really are inside.

[elsporko]

Then they should go to bars where that is accepted. If I smoke I would know some bars allow smoking and some don't.

[fireheart17]

OK, three things to point out here:

1) transgendered/transvestites feel that they were BORN in the wrong gender. Also, as it's considered to be another form of sexuality so to speak, it's classed as either gender or sexuality discrimination. You can apply for exemptions in this state, but you need a damn good reason to do so. (i.e. school buses taking STUDENTS only) Fortunately, the EO board in this state don't believe that the gay/transgender are paedophiles. (which seems to be the main issue sadly.)
2) smoking in bars in this state is illegal AFAIK, within a certain distance. So comparing being refused entrance because you smoke and because your genitalia doesn't conform to society's standards are two different things.
3) My suggestion to deal with THIS situation in particular was to have the transgender/vestites undergo a counselling session with a psychologist. The state pays for 6-12 sessions already (6 solo, 12 group), so it wouldn't be a burden on the taxpayer.

If you read the comments, some guy asked "why don't they just have the surgery already?" Idiot...I told him right off the bat that the surgery he's referring to isn't cheap, although the price I quoted was a bit off.

Here's a rough pricing guide from a surgeon in Trinidad.

Genital surgery...$22,000
Orchiectomy...$3,000-$4,400
Breast augmentation...$5,800-$7,800
Tracheal shave...$4,800
Labiaplasty....$3,400-$4,400

So all up you're looking anywhere between $39,000 and $43,400....all to change your gender.

[elsporko]

I can't believe there are states that wastes money on those kind of therapy sessions. We can't pay to keep criminals in jail but we can pay for a therapist to listen to somebody complain because they wish they were a girl. Thats a sad state of affairs.

[joe hx]

don't some bars/clubs have required dress/dress codes anyways?

[Nyoibo]

I'm wondering if it was a disabled restroom or a unisex one that was mostly used by disabled people. I'm not sure what the laws are but I believe that technically if you are still male, you're supposed to use the men's room.

In Aus most of the disabled toilets are shared, usually there will be a male, female and disabled toilet in a location, as anyone can use the disabled toilet I can see their reasoning behind this, as yes you are required to use the toilet corresponding to your gender/plumbing.

I can't believe there are states that wastes money on those kind of therapy sessions. We can't pay to keep criminals in jail but we can pay for a therapist to listen to somebody complain because they wish they were a girl. Thats a sad state of affairs.

Which makes me infinitley thankful you live in neither my state nor country.


Notice that there is only a problem with male crossdressing, women do it all the time, it's perfectly fine for a woman to wear pants and a t-shirt, however if a man wants to wear a skirt and blouse suddenly he's labled "abnormal" or a "freak".