Cross dressers banned from bar

[Greenday]

don't some bars/clubs have required dress/dress codes anyways?

They are to make sure people don't dress like bums or gang-members.

[crashhelmet]

This issue is somewhat of a Catch 22. Person's rights vs business's rights.

It's one thing if it's an outright discrimination issue, which some people will argue it is regardless of what's happened. It's another thing if the TG/TV/CDs are making the other patrons uncomfortable, causing the business to lose patronage.

Regardless of their gender, orientation, or preferred attire, some women aren't comfortable with genetic males in the restroom with them. In addition, some, if not many, men are going to be uncomfortable with TV/TG/CDs in the men's room (there are "unwritten rules" about conduct within a men's room ). While making them use the disabled restroom can be insulting, it's a compromise that should at least be considered.

I don't agree with the outright banning of the victims here, unless there's more to this story than has been included in this article. However, I think some sort of compromise needs to be worked out before things get out of hand.

CH

[fireheart17]

elsporko, it has been made clear in several of my posts (and also the article I posted) that I live in AUSTRALIA. Not AMERICA. We do things differently down here. I should also add that Medicare pays for SIX sessions only solo, TWELVE sessions group. Anymore than that and the patient is required to fork out for it or a private counsellor.

And a bit more information about requirements for transsexuals seeking surgery/crossdressers etc.:

-need to have lived/worked as the opposite sex for 1-2 years.
-have undertaken serious counselling with someone, whether paid for by the state or not.
-need to be classified as having Gender Identity Disorder.
-Also in Australia, they cannot change their birth certificate/other important information until they've had surgery.

Yes, Nyoibo is right about you requiring to go to the toilet for your plumbing. Question is though...if GID requires one to use the disabled toilets, what about after they've had the surgery and they still look vaguely male or female?

And Ny...I can think of another example of double standards...Clipsal Grid Guys.

[Vagabond]

CommentsI have:
1. The bar is a private establishment for the running of a business, yes?
I know many places that refuse service to people for any various reasons. One of those reasons is that they'll turn away a few people so to keep more customers. Makes monetary sense. I only skimmed the article so I am guessing that they politely asked them to leave before any of their other patrons said something.
2. Perhaps the bar wants to maintain or uphold a certain clientele? Some bars become known as LGBT friendly, others Biker Bars, and perhaps they want to maintain a certain atmosphere and clientele which the didn't feel those people where?
3. I have no idea about the laws in Australia, so I can not comment about laws on refusing service.

[Nyoibo]

I would point out this is the Boho, a bar known for it's mardi gras/circus/funky atmosphere.

[fireheart17]

CommentsI have:
3. I have no idea about the laws in Australia, so I can not comment about laws on refusing service.

It depends on a few things.

1) Refusal cannot be for a standard discriminatory reason UNLESS there's an exemption against equal opportunity laws. AFAIK, you need a damn good reason for one. Standard discriminatory reasons are pretty much the following: age (obviously if you're under 18, you can't drink alcohol, get into a nightclub or gamble), gender, race, sexuality, marital status, whether they are pregnant or not.

2) If it's due to double standards in the dress code (i.e. someone with tattoo sleeves cannot enter due to his tattoos, but a woman can enter with a tramp stamp.) then that also falls under discriminatory status depending on the situation. There was a big hoo-ha a couple of years ago about a bar (don't think it was the same one) that refused entry to guys who were wearing flip-flops (thongs for us aussie folk) but allowed girls in who were wearing the prettier ones/wedges. That bar has since overturned their policy.

3) If they have a dress code posted clearly, they can be refused entry, as long as it's proven that the dress code is followed consistently.

4) If they are being disruptive and it can be proven that they are being disruptive, then they can be asked to leave.

With the two given above, the situation falls into the following:

1) gender and/or sexuality. (depends on if they crossdress as a comfort thing or if they are actually seeking the surgery)
2) the wearing of dresses and/or wigs.
3) My bet is that there would be some things that are considered to be against the dress code for safety reasons, although I fail to see where a black dress and wig fail to fit that...
4) According to some of the comments, they were being disruptive, however there's no definitive proof.