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  • EPA wants to really dent the motorsports/hobby industry.

    Don't know the correct place for this so I'll post it here.

    Link: http://www.tcetoday.com/tcetoday/New...aspx?nid=12677

    In short: EPA is planning to add nitromethane to the TRI list of "carcinogens." Basically, it's part of some sort of community "right to know" list.

    So, how does this pertain to motorsports and the hobby industry?

    My favorite motorsport, drag racing (NHRA and IHRA), uses nitromethane as a racing fuel for the top classes. And many RC cars use it as a fuel too.

    Now some people might think adding it to some sort of "right to know" list is good, right? NOT if you involved in motorsports or the hobby industry in any way. For the hobby industry it might mean having to jump through huge hoops to get it for your RC car. But if you're a racing fan....

    This was first posted on a drag racing board that I am a frequent poster on. Me and the other members were debating on how this would effect our sport in 4 ways:

    1. Open pit access: The biggest thing about an NHRA (and to smaller scale IHRA) event is open pit access, where you can go into the pits and interact with the drivers - and experience a Nitro car warming up. If an EPA representative shows up at an NHRA race and deems the Nitro fumes harmful to spectators, they (EPA) might force the NHRA/IHRA to close the pits to the public. And then the NHRA/IHRA will watch helplessly as their attendance drops like a rock.

    2. People who build houses around dragstrips: You know the ones, just like the people who move next to an airport and then bitch about the noise. Dragstrips like Old Bridge Township Raceway Park in NJ have to fight the city council on a yearly basis when rich snobs buy homes near the track and complain of the noise and want to shut it down. And sadly, saying "the track was here first" doesn't cut it anymore. But the EPA is going to give these idiots more ammo and on a silver platter on top of it! Not only will they say "It creates noise" but they will be able to say "it creates cancer-causing fumes."

    3. The racing itself: Even in the grandstands, you can still smell the nitro fumes when a dragster or funny car runs. If the EPA were really hell-bent on "shielding the public" from this "dangerous" substance, then they may ban Nitro as a racing fuel altogether. And that, my friends is when me and so many other racing fans will stop attending NHRA events. That's 90% of why people go: to see the nitro classes.

    4. Long term-study: The EPA may launch a study on how harmful it is to be around a race car that uses Nitro as a fuel. But they need to realize that the NHRA is a long term study in Nitro: some drivers and race owners have been around Nitro cars for 40+ years and they are as healthy as could be, nothing has ever came of it. Take that, EPA!

    Sorry if this seemed ranty....
    AKA sld72382 on customerssuck.

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    Originally posted by HEMI6point1 View Post
    2. People who build houses around dragstrips: You know the ones, just like the people who move next to an airport and then bitch about the noise. Dragstrips like Old Bridge Township Raceway Park in NJ have to fight the city council on a yearly basis when rich snobs buy homes near the track and complain of the noise and want to shut it down. And sadly, saying "the track was here first" doesn't cut it anymore. But the EPA is going to give these idiots more ammo and on a silver platter on top of it! Not only will they say "It creates noise" but they will be able to say "it creates cancer-causing fumes."
    I'm currently taking pleasure in how fast their property values are going to drop upon the release of that news.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by HEMI6point1 View Post
      4. Long term-study: The EPA may launch a study on how harmful it is to be around a race car that uses Nitro as a fuel. But they need to realize that the NHRA is a long term study in Nitro: some drivers and race owners have been around Nitro cars for 40+ years and they are as healthy as could be, nothing has ever came of it. Take that, EPA.
      Um... "I know a guy" doesn't meet the standards of scientific study. Sorry.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Boozy View Post
        Um... "I know a guy" doesn't meet the standards of scientific study. Sorry.


        I know a guy who says it does.

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        • #5
          Of course, drag racing isn't the only automotive-related hobby which has had to change because of EPA regs. Most of you know that I enjoy tooling around in a 40-year-old sports car. A car, that was originally designed to run on leaded fuel. At the time, many engines used lead to lubricate their valve systems. Then, the Feds said that leaded gas was teh evil, and everyone had to switch to unleaded. Unfortunately, many older cars required a leaded additive--otherwise, the valve seats would recede. You'd damage the engine without it.

          Fast-forward 40 years, and even that additive is no longer available. Actually, I'm sure it's out there, but most auto parts stores no longer stock it. As such, I had to pony up for an "unleaded" (modified) cylinder head when I had the engine rebuilt. Annoying, but I was going to do that anyway.

          It's not just the fuels either--I had to have the brake system changed to handle a more modern brake fluid; the brakes themselves fitted with asbestos-free pads and shoes. While I was at it, the original (troublesome and leaky) batteries were swapped for a modern sealed type.

          Lastly, let's not forget about the paint job. I'm sure the chemicals used originally are no longer available, and the paint job currently on the car is considered more "environmentally friendly."

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          • #6
            I'd dare say nitro will always be available just really expensive.

            Leaded gas is still available just real expensive when it can be found. I know of no local sources but a few in CA have been featured in some Resto mags. Lead additives are still available but also expensive (I bought cases and cases of it when it was on sale so I still have a lot.) Basically if you've got the money everything you've listed is still available legal or not.
            I like you have spent a near fortune on modifing cylinder heads but since I was rebuilding anyways it wasn't too big a deal. Heck if I had the machine shop and knowledge I'd do it myself. Also for future rebuilds go ahead an spring for the metalic backed/strengthened gaskets to prevent leaks and the ability to use synthetic oil, it will release some more horses.
            A hard part to find is back in the days before fuel filters most carbs had settling bowls that allowed the trash to settle and being glass you could see when they needed cleaning. As time when on the bowls broke and were eventually replaced with actual fuel-filters or screens. Now days those EOM bowls are few and very far between. My 47 Dodge pickup and Ford Workmaster tractor have those bowls.
            Cry Havoc and let slip the marsupials of war!!!

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            • #7
              A hard part to find is back in the days before fuel filters most carbs had settling bowls that allowed the trash to settle and being glass you could see when they needed cleaning.
              THAT'S what that thing's for! Dad's got a tractor with one from, I think, 1949.
              "My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl."

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              • #8
                Yep, several years ago caught up in the need of having one I found a local artist that blows glass to make some. He made 100 of them and charged $5 each, I've sold around 80 of them for $100 each. A good investment if you ask me.
                Cry Havoc and let slip the marsupials of war!!!

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