The majority of men are better than most women

[blas87]

I apologize Ree, that was not the best comparison. It's usually the only good comeback I have when men brag about how they are so much bigger and stronger than women.

I think each sex has their strong points. I will agree that (most) men are bigger and physically stronger than women. That doesn't mean that they are better or have harder jobs. Perhaps they have jobs that require heavier lifting, but there are plenty of jobs that are mentally exhausting.

I'm with Lupo on the oogling thing as well. More often than not, I am in jeans and a tshirt with plain straight hair and minimal makeup (actually, if it's after work, almost none because my face is an oil rig by that time). Personally, I think I look a fright. Some men are just that shameless and creepy that they will check out anything that moves, and keep eye-screwing you until you either leave or threaten violence or scare them off. Women do not always "ask for it" by wearing certain things.

[guywithashovel]

Honestly, Ree, I think the OP was just trying to antagonize people. I'll apologize in advance if I'm wrong, but considering that he only has four posts and this is how he introduces himself to us, I think that's a likely conclusion.

[Ree]

Honestly, Ree, I think the OP was just trying to antagonize people.

I was going on the wording of the post, though.

Contrary to all the feminists saying that men are so immature, men are usually MUCH more mature.

Hopefully some of the people here have better reasons to believe I'm wrong than all the feminists I've talked to.

I'm sure there's a little bit of trolling going on, but I kind of wondered if perhaps the post was meant as a way of debating out some of the crap he's had spouted at him by feminists.

[Plaidman]

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I'm with Lupo on the oogling thing as well. More often than not, I am in jeans and a tshirt with plain straight hair and minimal makeup (actually, if it's after work, almost none because my face is an oil rig by that time). Personally, I think I look a fright.

I agree that woman aren't asking for it by wearing certain clothes.

I do uh, however find woman that are slightly sweaty and looked slight worn out with plain clothes and little to no makeup very attractive.

I don't oogle though. I do take glances though.

Very rarely do I glance below the neck though.

[lupo pazzesco]

I do uh, however find woman that are slightly sweaty and looked slight worn out with plain clothes and little to no makeup very attractive.

I don't oogle though. I do take glances though.

Very rarely do I glance below the neck though.

Dawww...

<snugglehugs> And that's what makes the world of difference.


You're one of the rare ones, Plaidman.

[Greenday]

I just tend to find the whole men couldn't deal with pregnancy argument to completely lack any reasoning. Why, because we never had to before so we never could in the future if we had to? If all of a sudden men had to carry babies and give birth, we'd grumble about it, bitch and moan like women do, and then go through the birthing process because it'd just be something we'd have to go through.

Regardless, men and women both have their ups and downs and society wouldn't function without one or the other.

[Nyoibo]

-Arrange with a woman who has recently given birth, as they are more likely to recall the amount of pain they were in, to set up the maximum voltage needed for the experiment.

I feel that any man who thinks childbirth is easy should have to go through this.

This is the only part that I have a problem with, the body doesn't actually recall pain as pain, it remembers "that fucking hurt" but not the actual pain, there are actually chemicals released to stop women remembering the pain of child birth, otherwise there's usually no chance in hell they'd do it again.

And I think I can come close to that sort of pain, I had my arm crushed in an industrial accident, stuck in the machinery for a while (not sure on the time, pain was distracting).

Huh... as a male, can I be a feminist?

Depends on which feminist you ask.

[Anthony K. S.]

"A man would never be able to cope with pregnancy or childbirth."

You folks want to hear something interesting?

The most passionate argument against that statement that I have ever heard was actually made by a woman.

Several years ago, when I was in college, I had a Philosophy professor who wrote that statement on the board as a debate point. I presume he was trying to provoke an argument, although not many of the students seemed particularly interested in the bait.

One male student said that he thought the statement was probably true.

Some of the female students poked a bit of fun at men in general, saying things like, "If men had to bear children, then the human race would have died out a long time ago," and such.

There was, however, one female student who remained silent for a while, and then raised her hand. When the professor acknowledged her, she said, in a tone of voice that conveyed a lot of barely contained anger, that she found the statement that men couldn't handle pregnancy or childbirth to be deeply offensive.

She went on to explain that her family was Jewish, and her grandfather had been a prisoner in a Nazi concentration camp during World War II.

According to this student, what her grandfather endured in that camp "made childbirth look like a Sunday picnic in the park."

(Those were her actual words, as near as I can remember.)

In her view, the belief that men couldn't handle pregnancy or childbirth was disrespectful to men like her grandfather, who had survived far worse trials in their lifetimes.

After the class was over, I saw a few of the students who had been making light of the issue apologizing to her.

Now, I have never had the impression that most people - either men or women - who have expressed the belief that men couldn't handle childbirth were really trying to put men down, or that they didn't believe that a man could endure an extremely painful experience. More often than not, they're just poking a little light-hearted fun at men. Or, as in the case of this thread, they're trying to refute a sexist idea about the relative strength of men compared to women.

This young woman obviously loved her grandfather very much, and I think that that emotion caused her to react to the situation with more vehemence than perhaps was really warranted.

Nevertheless, she had a point.

I have never once in my life believed that pregnancy or childbirth is an easy experience for a woman. But neither do I believe that it is something that women alone are capable of enduring.

Whether it's childbirth, severe injury, debilitating disease, or what happened to that young woman's grandfather . . . It is truly amazing what human beings are capable of enduring when they really need to. Both men and women.

[smileyeagle1021]

Yes, I realize there are exceptions. But exceptions do not prove the rule.

Men generally do the hard jobs. Both genders can be smart. But smart men are the ones who invent things and come up with new ideas. Smart women usually stick to say, being a doctor or something.

Contrary to all the feminists saying that men are so immature, men are usually MUCH more mature. They don't get offended anywhere near as easily. There is absolutely no reason to be offended when men are checking you out. Especially if you're wearing skimpy clothes.

Plus, they don't use the silent treatment or guilt trips when they don't get their way. You should've grown out of that by the time you were 16, hon.

And those are just some of the reasons.

I have absolutely no idea how anyone can not see this. It seems extremely obvious to me. Hopefully some of the people here have better reasons to believe I'm wrong than all the feminists I've talked to.

You know, you do have some valid points that you just didn't know that you made.
There are areas that men do tend to be better than women, likewise there are areas that women tend to be better than men.

You have a point with men having more inventions than women... that has little to do with intelligence, that has everything to do with men in general being more willing to take risks.
Of course, the women being doctors tends to show where women tend to be better than men and that is in general women are better at providing nurture.

Arguing over which gender is better is pointless. Both sides can point out the area where they are better as proof. So how bout we settle on men and women are different. Sounds reasonable to me.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Firstly, yes everything you just said, Anthony

On top of that, consider that countless people of all races, cultures and both genders have shown that, for whatever reason, they have higher pain threshholds, adrenaline responses etc. than others.

People in general are capable of simply not realizing that large portions their flesh have been torn,cut, or blown off as well as freezing in pain for the merest ache. People have shown the ability to intensify their thinking and concentration in mortal danger as well as go blank. Simply put, all people are different. The similarities of any given group pretty much always result from outside influences such as:

A) Definition of group based on said characteristics.
B) Society provides or excludes experiences, lessons and opportunities from that group.
C) Group is defined on a shared experience significant enough to effect character.
ETC.

Even so, many of those differences manifest in multiple ways, and exceptions are often abound. Most of what's left tends to be statistically insignificant, a coincidense.

Chances are that, even in a world of 6+ billion, no two people are the same. All things considered, there are probably untold trillions of possible combinations, or more.

[Plaidman]

Chances are that, even in a world of 6+ billion, no two people are the same. All things considered, there are probably untold trillions of possible combinations, or more.

and yet the Plaidman still can't get a girlfriend

[smileyeagle1021]

and yet the Plaidman still can't get a girlfriend

Well Plaid, there is a solution to that :P

[Nyoibo]

Well Plaid, there is a solution to that :P

Not really, I can't get a girlfriend or boyfriend.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Well Plaid, there is a solution to that :P

Introducing queer eye for the ______ guy!

Or... am I totally off-base?

[Ree]

I believe I did say in my post that pain thresholds have a lot to do with how well people tolerate certain conditions, and that using the "men don't give birth or have periods" argument is rather poor as an example of how men aren't really all that strong when compared with women.

I think the attitude came about, though, because women have long been treated like weak and frail beings needing their big strong men to look after them. When women first started to rebel against all that outdated thinking with the birth of the feminist movement, that became one of the points put forth as an example of just how strong women can be.

I joke about the fact that families would only have one child if men gave birth because it has actually been my personal experience that, when a lot of guys get sick or are in pain, they tend to turn into huge babies.

I grew up with 4 brothers, and I have always had a lot of male friends rather than female friends.

I work at a job surrounded by men.

I have seen guys doing some pretty amazing feats and have seen a lot of shows of strength, but I have also seen these same guys become needy, demanding creatures the moment they get sick.

It's a huge generalization, though, to say all men are like that.
Just because it has been my observation and experience with the men in my life, that doesn't make it an actual scientific fact that women have higher pain thresholds and tolerate illness and pain much better.

I don't think things like that are actually gender based.