The majority of men are better than most women

[Lace Neil Singer]

Actually, it is.

Man Flu does actually exist



As for saying that the OP holds his outdated views cuz of attacks from feminists, I think that the term for that is feminazis. Feminists don't tend to demand that women be treated better than men; rather, it's a demand for equal rights. At least, that's my understanding. However there are some who seem to want dominion over men, which is stupid. There will always be things that men can do better than women, and vice versa.

[Ree]

*Regarding info from your link*

I've known about the estrogen connection before.

Our group does fundraising for a research centre and I was able to get a tour last year. We were told that a researcher had discovered the link between estrogen and the fact that women tend to be less accident prone and heal faster.

She actually used that knowledge to experiment with a mouse whose spinal column had been severed, and the mouse was able to walk again.
That knowledge is being used in the treatment of spinal cord injuries.

[telecom_goddess]

*Regarding info from your link*

I've known about the estrogen connection before.

Our group does fundraising for a research centre and I was able to get a tour last year. We were told that a researcher had discovered the link between estrogen and the fact that women tend to be less accident prone and heal faster.

Not this kid I'm very accident prone

But on the subject of men handling pregnancy there is a "man" who has given birth, I read his autobiography a while back...
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=7795344&page=1

interesting stuff

[Lace Neil Singer]

Apparently, the nearest thing to childbirth that a man can experience is passing a kidney stone. O_o

As for the "pregnant man"; technically, he was born into a female body so it doesn't count exactly. On the subject, I've read quite a few mpregs, and none of them are worth reading; they either make statements about men being pregnant and giving birth in a way that isn't scientificially possible, or (and, sometimes) they turn the pregnant man into a woobie so he's pretty much a woman with a dick.

[Boozy]

Men have higher pain thresholds than women for acute pain. This has been scientifically proven, and it makes sense. From an evolutionary standpoint, men have needed higher pain thresholds.

The only exception to this is that a woman in her last month of pregnancy easily surpasses men in the "pain threshold test" due to those hormones that make labour and delivery possible.

There are no laboratory tests (that I've heard of) to measure chronic pain tolerance, so it may be that women don't suffer as much during, say, a long bout of the flu.

But the more important question is, so what?

How exactly does a man being able to hold his hand in a tub of ice water longer than a woman prove that he is "better"?

It doesn't. It's a genetically predetermined trait, sometimes useful, and completely irrelevant when determining someone's value to society.

[GINSENG]

Holy moly. Sorry I haven't responded yet. I just got back on the computer. I'm not on all day, you know.

First of all, I'm a chick. So I DO go through periods. And I never could understand why other women complain about that either. Cramps aren't as horrible as I've heard women say they are. There's no reason to keel over crying and act like you're dramatically dying. Just take an advil and get on with your day. My goodness.

Secondly, when a man does go through pain, he doesn't whine about it anywhere near as much as we do. Women who go through childbirth use painkillers and such. How strong we are.

Is that what everyone turns to when someone has a different view from the norm? Call them a troll? Dang. I was expecting more from a debating forum.

Feminism is not and never has been about equal rights. It's the opposite of a chauvinist. I believe in equal rights for all races. You don't hear me calling myself a white supremist.

Women are better with language? What the hell? Saying "like" in almost every sentence and reading things that weren't there into what I say is what I've generally seen women do. It even happened on here. Come ON now!

No two things that are so different can be completely equal.

I'd say more, but I'm afraid the your male brain couldn't comprehand the fact that woman can do equal stuff to males. Sorry that you don't get a free pass of awesome because you have one less X chromosome then female.

If I can't comprehend it, I guess that proves my original post was right about women.

To Lupo, men who say things like that aren't mature. I didn't say they were. If they say things like THAT, you have a reason to be offended. But that's not what I was talking about.

As for some men saying the opposite, are you kidding me? Some men are stupid. Some men will do anything to get laid. Some men are brainwashed from all the feminist propaganda. Enough reasons for you?

Ever hear of Tom Leykis? He's incredibly smart and I agree with him completely. A hell of a lot more intelligent than the guys who made those blogs.

And to all the people who decided to get emotional rather than use logical debates, well, men generally don't do that.

Like I said, I'm not saying ALL men or women are all the same. I am saying the majority of men are better and these are the reasons why. Quit reading things into what's not there, please. I'm not catty either. That's why I get along better with men. It's getting to the point where I try to avoid other females entirely. I really do believe this. I wouldn't be posting it on a debating forum otherwise.

I tried to respond to all the points in all your posts. But there's SO many and a lot of them say the same as others, so I might've missed something. If I did, just make your point again. So sorry.

[lupo pazzesco]

First of all, I'm a chick. So I DO go through periods. And I never could understand why other women complain about that either. Cramps aren't as horrible as I've heard women say they are. There's no reason to keel over crying and act like you're dramatically dying. Just take an advil and get on with your day. My goodness.

Apologies to men from this point forward!!:

Point 1, maybe YOUR cramps aren't as bad. I have, in fact, literally been nearly dead from my cramps. I don't act like I'm dramatically dying. RAther, I'm passing clots, bleeding heavily enough to push out a tampon AND soak through a pad. The pain is so bad that physical movement nauseates me.

Take an advil? Sure. Got 12? That MIGHT make a dent, if I'm lucky. So, sorry, but that reason isn't enough to say men are better at pain, because, as Ree pointed out, pain thresholds are different for everyone. By making the blanket statement, you're acting like the women you choose to condemn whom you say "I don't get why they complain!"

Is that what everyone turns to when someone has a different view from the norm? Call them a troll? Dang. I was expecting more from a debating forum.

No, but on a debate forum like Fratching, in case you've not noticed in other threads, generally posters are asked to back up their statements with proof of some kind. I'd like to debate that the sky is not in fact, blue, but made up of bleu cheese. Sure, people will come on and debate with me, but I'd damn well better be able to prove what I'm saying. Trolls, generally like to come onto forum boards, drop inflammatory comments about some topic like, oh look, "Boyz rule, girlz droool!!", and then watch the comments happen.

It's not that you've an opinion against the norm, it's that you've come on, stated said opinion and left absolutely no evidence to back up said statement, and basically called out an attack on females, saying that by virtue of our sex we're only, at our smartest, onlyable to be doctors or something.

Feminism is not and never has been about equal rights. It's the opposite of a chauvinist. I believe in equal rights for all races. You don't hear me calling myself a white supremist.

No two things that are so different can be completely equal.

I will have to address this portion later, as I don't have the evidence on hand from the class I took on gender last semester, but I will be back to point out what, exactly feminism is. Stay tuned!

Like I said, I'm not saying ALL men or women are all the same. I am saying the majority of men are better and these are the reasons why. Quit reading things into what's not there, please. I'm not catty either. That's why I get along better with men. It's getting to the point where I try to avoid other females entirely. I really do believe this. I wouldn't be posting it on a debating forum otherwise.

Right, but you don't really have reasons. Or, rather, you said men are better because they invent things, they're mature, and they don't act bitchy like women do. And again I say, on a debating forum, proof of siad reasons goes a long way, otherwise it's just someone ranting. And that's what the Things I Hate section is for. Still, there you're likely to run into debate because it's a debate forum. Kudos to you for stating your beliefs, but at the same time, expect others to come along and state theirs when what you say is considered inflammatory to them, and accusing us of "reading things" into a statement that clearly read "Men are better", doesn't really help, either, in my opinion.

[Rebel]

GINSENG.
I'm wondering if your opinions are based through popular media or your own personal experience.

If through popular media, then I can somewhat understand what you're trying to say. Females are by on large represented as being objects, as being weak and needing the protection of men. They are more respected for their beauty and their ability to fit into a size 00 than for any what suggestions they may have to end world hunger. Do you watch a lot of beauty pagents? Do you read a lot of women's magazines? Are you developing your opinions from what they tell you?

If it is your own personal experience that has led to this opinion, then may I ask what sort of background or geagraphical location you are from? And what age group?

I only ask this, because the people around us are very important in shaping how we view ourselves. If, say, you live in California, you may be surrounded by a larger population of women who think beauty is all they need to get through life. This is due to the Hollywood mentality. This doesn't mean that there are no smart and successful women around, it just means that the former appear to be more in abundance and more easily recognized.

But going by this narrow assumption, I can put forward the claim that all men are surfers. Yep, that's right, all men of all ages and sizes and backgrounds are surfers. They all have nice dark tans and like to go for a hard drinking session every night.

This is because I grew up on the coast of Australia in a semi well off area.

My idea works, until I find someone who doesn't fit the mold. Maybe a pale boy who hates alcohol and doesn't like to exercise. To me he would be the minority. But then I moved to another country.
Now I see a lot of skater boys (hahahahahahahahaha) and no surfer boys at all. My original assumption no longer applies.

My guess would be that you haven't really met any women that are successful, intelligent, and able to prove themselves. You then judge yourself and all other women on what you 'know' to be the truth.

[MaggieTheCat]

Cramps aren't as horrible as I've heard women say they are. There's no reason to keel over crying and act like you're dramatically dying. Just take an advil and get on with your day. My goodness.

Just wanted to second what Lupo has already said. Please don't tell us that "cramps aren't all that bad, get over it" when you've obviously never experienced severe cramps. I've been through pretty much what Lupo described -- periods in which I bleed and bleed and bleed, right through tampons, pads, towels, and more, for days, and experienced agonizing cramps. To the point that I'd be curled up on the couch or bed, after having taken advil, midol, aspirin, and anything else I could get my hands on, none of which would alleviate the pain at all, and I literally could not move because it was so severe.

And regarding debating and trolling...you post this thread, after having been registered only for a month, and only having 3 posts, so none of us know you, at all. You make a generalized statement that "Men are better than women." Sure, you throw in the "there are exceptions" statement but you make it very clear that you think men are overall superior to women. You could have made a similar post under "Things I Hate" about "Women who whine, act immature, and are generally dumb" to get your point across without making such a broad generalization, but instead, you make it sound like women are inferior to men in every aspect that matters. And then you don't expect us to call you a troll? I didn't take your original post seriously at all, I thought it was a joke. Why should we take you seriously when none of us know you, you have no established posting history, and the way you introduce yourself is to basically say that half (or more) of our community is immature and stupid?

By the way, the fact that you are, supposedly, a woman, and posting something like this, just screams that you think you are better than all other women, because you're smart enough to own up to why women suck so much and men are so much better.

[Plaidman]

I've known woman that have such severe cramps that all they can do is lay down, holding themselves while crying from such pain. No amount of painkillers would help. Just like some woman aren't as smart as others, other woman have higher tresholds of pain, or have lower pain from cramps. Our bodies are amazing, and have billions of different things in them that make us truely unique.

Not all woman use painkillers for childbirth ether. Some can't for medical reasons. Some can't for personal reasons, be it they have different beliefs and/or religious reasons too. Still doesn't make it any less painful. The closest thing to it for males is to pass kidney stones. Which can make men drop. There is another one that my teacher told us, but I've forgotten due to my focus on blood.

I'm guessing however that your in High School or California. I have plenty of female friends, both online and in the real world. Not one of them uses the word 'Like' every other word. As for reading into things? Some do yeah. But mostly because they're more emontional at times. I have also personally met more woman that knew multiple lanagages. I've only met a few men that spoke more then one, and that was usually english and spanish, as compared to the other girls who knew three to far more. My old coworker, she spoke English, Thai, Burmese, Spanish, Mandarian and a little German she picked up from a friend. The others were fluent though. She was 19 when I met her and she knew all those lanagages.

And alot of men are emontional. We just hide it more. Woman can get over breakups in a day or so. We take months upon months. Likely because we bury it as much as possible, then it just comes out at random times. I'm very emontional. As much as I hate to say it, but I am. I get hurt too easily. I fall in love to easily. I also tend to get pretty angry at some things, but I tend to bury that rather then let it out like I do others.

chauvinism isn't male superiority by the way. Male Chauvinism is. Female Chauvinism is the opposite of that, where each gender belives the other is superior. So your Male Chauvinism due to your belief that males are the superior gender.

Female Chauvinism is an ASPECT, not the BELIEF of feminism. Where it stands that all males are nothing more then rapist, wife beating pigs that are only good for making more babies.

Feminism is for equal rights for females to be on par with males in terms of rights to vote, rights to join service, equal pay in work force etc etc. If your going to throw polictical aspects around, at least get the right ones.

I'm pretty sure you learn more about it when you got your Junior year in High School.

[Rebel]

Wikipedia Says.

-Feminism: refers to political, cultural, and economic movements aimed at establishing greater rights and legal protections for women.

-Feminazi's: refer to feminists whom are perceived as being intolerant of conservative views, or overly aggressive in advancing feminist causes (which is seen by some as “imposing” the feminist causes).

-Chauvinism: in its original and primary meaning, is an exaggerated, bellicose patriotism and a blind belief in national superiority and glory.

-Male chauvinism: is a term used to describe the belief that men are superior to women.

-Female Chauvinism: promotes superiority of the female gender over the male gender through hatred of the male gender.

I'm not sure how this can help you win your argument. Maybe a need to look at these definitions cross-eyed while drunk. If not, I don't think you knew what the definitions for the big words you've been throwing around really were coz you haven't been using them in the correct context at all.

Originally posted by GINSENG
Secondly, when a man does go through pain, he doesn't whine about it anywhere near as much as we do.

I dislocated my knee a couple of days ago. The patella was stuck on the wrong side of my leg. It was stuck that way for at least 40 minutes before a doctor physically yanked it back into place. I had no pain killers. Yes, I cried, but quietly, and I did not swear once.
I am female. I'm not saying I'm better at handling pain better than men, not at all, but I think I handled that pretty well all things considered.

[KnitShoni]

Holy moly. Sorry I haven't responded yet. I just got back on the computer. I'm not on all day, you know.

First of all, I'm a chick. So I DO go through periods. And I never could understand why other women complain about that either. Cramps aren't as horrible as I've heard women say they are. There's no reason to keel over crying and act like you're dramatically dying. Just take an advil and get on with your day. My goodness.

Secondly, when a man does go through pain, he doesn't whine about it anywhere near as much as we do. Women who go through childbirth use painkillers and such. How strong we are.

Is that what everyone turns to when someone has a different view from the norm? Call them a troll? Dang. I was expecting more from a debating forum.

Feminism is not and never has been about equal rights. It's the opposite of a chauvinist. I believe in equal rights for all races. You don't hear me calling myself a white supremist.

Women are better with language? What the hell? Saying "like" in almost every sentence and reading things that weren't there into what I say is what I've generally seen women do. It even happened on here. Come ON now!

And to all the people who decided to get emotional rather than use logical debates, well, men generally don't do that.

Ok, 1st point: Lupo pointed out that just because YOUR cramps aren't that bad, doesn't mean NO ONE'S are. Advil doesn't work for everybody. You've never had cramps that render you unable to walk. Yay for you. I never had cramps at all until I started taking birth control. I didn't minimize what other women went through because of it.

2nd point: Are you going solely by the men you know? It's possible they just don't say anything to you. As was stated, not all women use painkillers in childbirth (I have several friends who have more than one child, and they used no painkillers with any of them.). Also, there are those of us for whom the painkillers don't work.

3rd point: The way your original post was stated was a bit trollish and catty, to me. Just saying.

4th point: You seem to be judging all feminists by the ones you deal with. Many of those who call themselves feminist actually DO believe in equal rights.

5th point: I've heard excessive use of the word "like" from both sexes equally. It's not a "woman" thing. As far as reading into things, I know far more men who do so than women. That doesn't make either better or worse.

Now, I'm going to skip to your statement about men and women and emotional vs. logical arguments. Too many times have I seen men and women make the same statement on a topic and have it be received differently simply due to the gender of the speaker. Many of us who responded thought you were male, therefore, your original post came across as chauvinistic, demeaning, and condescending. Now, I know you're female, so your post, to me, is catty, chauvinistic, demeaning, and condescending.

[Rapscallion]

Can we all step back from the trolling/not trolling angle, please? I'd prefer this to be about the facts.

Rapscallion

[lupo pazzesco]

I'm not catty either. That's why I get along better with men.

Um, just saw this after re-reading your response. Not catty? Ok...

Exhibit A:

Ever hear of Tom Leykis? He's incredibly smart and I agree with him completely. A hell of a lot more intelligent than the guys who made those blogs.

Exhibit B:

Cramps aren't as horrible as I've heard women say they are. There's no reason to keel over crying and act like you're dramatically dying. Just take an advil and get on with your day. My goodness.

Right then. Oh, and pulling from your OP...

There is absolutely no reason to be offended when men are checking you out. Especially if you're wearing skimpy clothes.

and (emphasis mine)

Plus, they don't use the silent treatment or guilt trips when they don't get their way. You should've grown out of that by the time you were 16, hon.

last one!

I have absolutely no idea how anyone can not see this. It seems extremely obvious to me.

So...what would you call the above statements if not catty? Bitchy? Rude? Aggressive? Passive-aggressive? I don't know, the "Hon" part seems a little demeaning, too.

Rebel pulled the basic definitions of feminism (for which I say THANK YOU!!!), and I'll go more in depth when I get back from dinner, because honestly, feminism has a bad reputation, due largely in part to the sensationalizing coverage of the extremists out there. I'm feminist, in that I believe women and men should be given equal rights in the workplace to a degree. Yes, there are some jobs that I, as a female, don't think I can do quite as well as a man, even if we have the same training. That doesn't mean he's better than me, that just means that I have limitations I can't work around whereas he may not. We're different, but it doesn't mean he's better.

And once again, Tom Leykis? No, I HAVEN'T heard of him. There goes that broad base assumption thing again. Great, he's intelligent, good for him! Remind me to get him a cookie. So's my uncle. And? Evidence? Proof? Links? I provided the links as a counterpoint to the crux of your argument claiming that men have higher maturity, and you've done nothing to disprove MY points or to prove yours.



And totally and completely off the wall: Plaidman, you rock my socks! Very nicely put!

[Lace Neil Singer]

Just wanted to second what Lupo has already said. Please don't tell us that "cramps aren't all that bad, get over it" when you've obviously never experienced severe cramps. I've been through pretty much what Lupo described -- periods in which I bleed and bleed and bleed, right through tampons, pads, towels, and more, for days, and experienced agonizing cramps. To the point that I'd be curled up on the couch or bed, after having taken advil, midol, aspirin, and anything else I could get my hands on, none of which would alleviate the pain at all, and I literally could not move because it was so severe.

Same here; at the age of eleven, too. In fact, I was passing so much blood that I was anaemic for a while. I'd be so ill with my periods that I had to take days off school, plus there was the fun fact that they were so irregular, I could not predict when I'd have one. I could have one lasting for ten days, then not have another for six weeks. I ended up going on the Pill cuz nothing else worked as far as my terrible PMS and horrible irregular heavy periods were concerned.

However, I am just one woman and unlike you, I'm not basing all womenkind on myself. To be frank, womenkind would be fucked ten times over if they were like me, and the human race would soon die out since no women would be wanting children. XD