The majority of men are better than most women

[Plaidman]

I was about ta say I did put those up before Rebel did...

But we're on same side so its ok

[GINSENG]

Like I have said before, there are some women who are just as great as men. But the majority of them are not. Most men contribute more to society. I don't mean to offend anyone, but most women work at lower-end jobs such as retail. Generally men want to do more with their lives. This is not to say men never work in retail. Some do. But do you understand what I'm trying to say?

The exception does not prove the rule, people.

I'm wondering if your opinions are based through popular media or your own personal experience.

They're based on everything. Experiences, other people's experiences, history, everything. But I don't see how the media would make me believe the majority of men are better. The media glorifies women. It's highly feminized. Read any magazine. They're all about how so-and-so is a wonderful woman (even when she hasn't actually done anything except act and have kids), how to get your man to do what you want, how men won't do this or that, blah blah blah. Hence why I don't read them anymore. It kills my brain cells.

If it is your own personal experience that has led to this opinion, then may I ask what sort of background or geagraphical location you are from? And what age group?

I only ask this, because the people around us are very important in shaping how we view ourselves. If, say, you live in California, you may be surrounded by a larger population of women who think beauty is all they need to get through life. This is due to the Hollywood mentality. This doesn't mean that there are no smart and successful women around, it just means that the former appear to be more in abundance and more easily recognized.

I'm an adult from Michigan and I understand what you're trying to say. But that still doesn't explain other people's experiences, history, and such. History and the present itself prove the majority of men are better.

We've been out of the house for more than 50 years. Why haven't we done anything yet?

Right here, it says that women do better in college. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/ed...09college.html Yet we still aren't DOING anything. That is my point. Men might not do as well in college, but they make up for it by inventing objects and ideas that help other people.

My guess would be that you haven't really met any women that are successful, intelligent, and able to prove themselves.

Or heard about them, read about them, yes. If someone can prove there are even half of the amount of successful, intelligent women as there are men, then I will change my mind. But so far, I have not seen it. Just a bunch of women demanding better rights when they haven't actually DONE anything.

I will admit I like being treated better when I haven't actually done anything. But come on. It's a bit rude to demand it.

And alot of men are emontional. We just hide it more. Woman can get over breakups in a day or so. We take months upon months. Likely because we bury it as much as possible, then it just comes out at random times. I'm very emontional. As much as I hate to say it, but I am. I get hurt too easily. I fall in love to easily. I also tend to get pretty angry at some things, but I tend to bury that rather then let it out like I do others.

So men are as emotional as us, yet they don't blubber about it in public? I already knew that. But there you go. Men just keep on working no matter what the circumstances.

Feminism is for equal rights for females to be on par with males in terms of rights to vote, rights to join service, equal pay in work force etc etc. If your going to throw polictical aspects around, at least get the right ones.

I'm just going by what people who call themselves feminists say. Contrary to what people may think, I don't check a dictionary after someone tells me what they are. If someone says they are a feminist and they constantly call men stupid and immature, I am going to assume that's what a feminist believes. People who believe they are equal to someone else do not insult the opposite group of people.

Secondly, we already ARE on par with those terms. There is no reason for feminists to keep blabbing about equal rights anymore. Plus, it doesn't actually help anyone. It only hurts us. = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkVWz0uXiEA

I'm not the only female who believes this either. Read all her articles. They're true. http://malechauvinist.blogspot.com/2...and-women.html

Why should we take you seriously when none of us know you, you have no established posting history, and the way you introduce yourself is to basically say that half (or more) of our community is immature and stupid?.

Alrighty then. I'll post here more. That better? I don't post here much because I usually agree with what someone else in that thread said. I don't want to post in threads basically saying, "Yeah, what they said."

So...what would you call the above statements if not catty? Bitchy? Rude? Aggressive? Passive-aggressive? I don't know, the "Hon" part seems a little demeaning, too.?]

I'm just telling you my side. If that comes across as catty, then I don't know what to say. But a lot of the posts on this forum and customers suck are of that nature, so I don't see anything different between mine and some of the people around these two forums.

As for hon, I'm not intending for it to sound demeaning. I call a lot of people hon. I mean it more friendly-like. Kind of like miss or sir.

I won't call you hon if you don't like it.

I provided the links as a counterpoint to the crux of your argument claiming that men have higher maturity, and you've done nothing to disprove MY points or to prove yours.

The first link you gave me was to a connecting singles website. Of course he's going to say that. He wants to get in some chicks pants.

As for the second link, there are so many points to make about how that website is completely wrong. But because you were referring to the maturity part. I'll just comment on that. Look around at the animal kingdom. Women DO mature faster, but in case you haven't noticed, the more intelligent an animal is the longer it takes to mature. Showing me a website that says that women mature faster would make more sense on my side.

Now, I'm going to skip to your statement about men and women and emotional vs. logical arguments. Too many times have I seen men and women make the same statement on a topic and have it be received differently simply due to the gender of the speaker. Many of us who responded thought you were male, therefore, your original post came across as chauvinistic, demeaning, and condescending. Now, I know you're female, so your post, to me, is catty, chauvinistic, demeaning, and condescending.

I'm not insulting you at all. I can honestly tell you I have no bad feelings toward anyone. On here, at least. I don't know why some of you think I am insulting anyone personally, but I'm not. Here. *gives everyone an apple*

[AdminAssistant]

Generally men want to do more with their lives. This is not to say men never work in retail. Some do. But do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Generally men aren't expected to take 6 weeks or more out of work to have children, and then be guilted into giving up careers in order to be a stay at home mom. Some women choose that path (and that is their choice), but others don't have a say, that's what expected of them.

We've been out of the house for more than 50 years. Why haven't we done anything yet?

Right here, it says that women do better in college. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/ed...09college.html Yet we still aren't DOING anything. That is my point. Men might not do as well in college, but they make up for it by inventing objects and ideas that help other people.

The fields of science and math have long been male-dominated, and women are just now beginning to get equal opportunities in terms of acceptance into grad programs and jobs. I know women in the sciences. They have it rough. Besides, inventing stuff and ideas are not the only way to make an impact on humanity.

Just a bunch of women demanding better rights when they haven't actually DONE anything. *snip* Secondly, we already ARE on par with those terms.

Equal rights. Equal pay for equal work. A right to determine what happens to our own bodies. A right to go to work, school, or just for a walk without being harassed. And we are not on par with those terms. As long as women make 30% less than men for equal work, as long as reproductive rights are subject to a vote, we are not on par.

You're right about women hurting the cause. Wendy Shalitt (neo-con writer) wants us to go back to an age of modesty. And need I mention Mrs. Soccer Mom Sarah Palin? "I'm not like Hilary, I look like a 1950's housewife and do whatever Senator McCain tells me to. I'm such a maverick." Guh.

[Plaidman]

I don't want your apple. I'm frankly feeling pretty insulted. Just because you haven't met anyone personally, doesn't mean all people are like that. My mom, my sister, my Aunt Rena, are all and still are incredinly strong female influences in my life. Like my Aunt Rena. Despite her own crippling illnessess, her own daughter and son attempting to beat her (Only took once each before she dropped them. They visit, but they know she has no qualms of calling police on them if they touch her or her granddaughters), despite how her daughter was getting high all the time while her own daugher was dying in the hospital for five years before she finally lost tp cancer, her shortage of money due to jobs, how most of the family think she's a bitch, (She's not. She just tough love). Her husband grand obesity and major heart issues, she never once. Bitched. EVER.

She just worked through it. Going days without sleep if she had too. She asked for help sure, but she never bitched. The only time i saw her cry was at Natasha's funeral. When I was diagnose with my own issue, mom went to her because she knew she could help without crying.

That brings me to Natasha.

Natasha was my little cousin. She died when she was 8. She had cancer from 3 to 8 years. Did she spend her time crying? Nope,. Did she spend her time begging? Nope. She was going out of her way to help OTHERS. She call others. Tried to set up her nurse with another runner that visit dornbecker. When other children (Mostly boys mind you) were crying and in fear she was trying to comfort them. She had no proble telling people to shut up and look on the bright side of things, because the only worst thing in this world is death and that is something Natasha was facing her entire fucking life. She never complained. Never cried over it. Her few times she did cry? When she was force to stay in the hosptial because that meant not being able to call others and help them, and when she cried to grandma, (my aunt), begging her if her mother, (My first cousin and my aunt's daughter) wanted to stay over night, then she had to stay the whole night and give her her medicene on time, not run out during the night to go get high for a couple hours. That and she needed to get a red car. Not blue cause that just sad. But Red. (Her words).

She used gentle humor and sometimes insults. Like when one doctor made a comment about his own wife going out, she gave the suggestion that maybe he should brush his teeth more cause he had bad breath.

Don't dare say all woman are wimps that cry over broken fingernails cause there's not. There are several powerful and strong woman that do overcome all odds. I shouldn't have to bother with any of the historic ones since you should know them. But there are just as many here.

[McDreidel09]

I don't know what kind of history you're reading that says that women haven't done anything. Marie Curie, Queen Elizabeth I, Joan of Arc, Susan B Anthony, Elizabeth Blackwell to name just a few. The reason women aren't mentioned as much as men was because women WEREN'T ALLOWED to do stuff before last century. They weren't allowed to live on their own and own property, let alone get an education and get a career.

I suggest you watch the documentary "14 Women". It is a few years old because there are now 16 women in the Senate. It is extraordinary how these women are in a male dominated field, work all the time, and manage to take care of their families.

AND BTW, if it weren't for many,many women, you would not have the right to speak your mind here.

As for women not doing anything with their lives, in my hometown, more women are getting out and getting an education and degrees than men. We have a ton of women going into the Armed Forces to make sure that our freedoms are preserved. So you might want to thank them.

[Plaidman]

We've been out of the house for more than 50 years. Why haven't we done anything yet?

Better question to ask, is Why haven't you done anything?

I will admit I like being treated better when I haven't actually done anything. But come on. It's a bit rude to demand it.

There is nothing rude about demanding to be treated better. Everyone should treat everyone with same respect. It won't ever happen, but there is nothing rude about demanding men to stop staring at your boobs/ass. Nothing rude about demanding to be paid equal to (if not more) the male that just got the same job you have been working at for past ten years, yet gets paid alot more due to being male.

[the_std]

Ginseng, you are the one who started this debate. The burden of proof is on you. Please provide some evidence (note: opinions are not evidence), statistics, facts, something provable, to back up your claim. Without these things, your statements hold no merit.

[Nyoibo]

I just got back on the computer.

First of all, I'm a chick.

Who the hell let you out of the kitchen and onto a computer? Get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

(I find this appropriate to say in this thread, being a superior male and all )

Now I've got my bit of silliness out of the way, the majority of women I know can equal or out perform me in both physical and mental pursuits, most of the women I know are all circus performers and gymnasts, on top of which they also have qualification like degrees in bio-chem, most of the guys I know are working mundane jobs with no qualifications and are so unfit they puff after walking up more than 3 flights of stairs.

[BlaqueKatt]

And once again, Tom Leykis? No, I HAVEN'T heard of him.

apparently we're not missing much-wiki

Thomas Leykis currently hosts The Tasting Room with Tom Leykis, a weekly lifestyle program dealing with fine food and drink-known as a "shock jock"

He moved away from home to study broadcasting at Fordham University but ended up being forced to drop out due to financial pressures.

The cornerstone of the Tom Leykis was the Thursday broadcast of "Leykis 101", in which he purported to teach men "how to get laid" while expending the least amount of time, money, and effort.. Along with general information on life for young men, advice mostly consisted of his principles of looking out for yourself and that the institution of marriage is flawed and biased against men. He constantly recommended that young men attend some form of higher education and not be distracted by relationships or marry at a young age as he did.-He also denounced what in his words is a corrupt and broken child support system that does not require DNA tests and has forced men to pay money to women who lied before a judge for children these men did not father-A popular and long-running feature of the show was "Flash Friday" in which men are encouraged to drive with their headlights on and women are encouraged to expose their breasts to such vehicles

He has been married and divorced four times-His fourth wife filed a police report against him while they were married , she alleged that Leykis assaulted and threatened to kill her. He was subsequently charged with "felony assault and battery and threatening to commit a crime"; a police officer found bruises and scratches on the woman. Leykis was sentenced to a year of probation and ordered to attend a domestic violence class. He completed both, and the charges were dropped.

yup-misogynist

He also PUBLICLY names rape victims....because he's "not a journalist"

But that still doesn't explain other people's experiences, history, and such. History and the present itself prove the majority of men are better.

yup because women weren't even ALLOWED to work outside the home until oh 1940 or so, and that was only "to support the menfolk that were away at war"-so that's 60 years of time to play "catch up" to several hundred years of male accomplishments. Women were ONLY allowed to attend college to become nurses after the civil war-nurses only not doctors.

In 1910 there were just over a thousand women students at Oxford and Cambridge. However, they had to obtain permission to attend lectures and were not allowed to take degrees. It was not until 1910 that women were allowed to become accountants and bankers.

Not allowed to vote until 1910 in the US-later elsewhere(full timeline), not allowed to own property(unless married and widowed) until 1920-

Secondly, we already ARE on par with those terms. There is no reason for feminists to keep blabbing about equal rights anymore. Plus, it doesn't actually help anyone.

kuwait women not allowed to vote until 2005-that's 5 years ago!
Women in some countries are not even allowed to attend school

but hey since the US and UK have equality-the battle is over! Good to know that the US and UK are all that matter......sorry it's a global community-we TRUE feminists* will not back down just because we're comfortable-sorry the world doesn't work that way.....hope you never plan on visiting a country that doesn't see women as equal-heck get raped in some countries-yes even as an AMERICAN-and YOU the VICTIM go to jail or worse.......but I guess it's ok for that to happen "somewhere else" as long as it doesn't effect you personally-talk about an immature outlook.... May as well put your hands over your eyes and fingers in your ears...LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU, NOT HAPPENING TO MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

Fuck....

*men and women

[GINSENG]

Generally men aren't expected to take 6 weeks or more out of work to have children, and then be guilted into giving up careers in order to be a stay at home mom. Some women choose that path (and that is their choice), but others don't have a say, that's what expected of them.

Women aren't expected to take any days off from work. They choose to do it themselves.

If you're being guilted into being a stay at home mom when you don't want to be one, what the hell are you doing with him? What were you doing with him in the first place? Nobody is forcing anyone to make babies with a jackass. If you don't want to do that, leave him already. I'm getting damn tired of women complaining about their boyfriends so much. WHAT are you doing with him?

The fields of science and math have long been male-dominated, and women are just now beginning to get equal opportunities in terms of acceptance into grad programs and jobs. I know women in the sciences. They have it rough.

They're male-dominated because most women choose not to go into fields of science and math. Women have been able to go into these fields for over 50 years. We've had plenty of time.

Besides, inventing stuff and ideas are not the only way to make an impact on humanity.

What are some other ways then? How can you make a difference in the world without inventing new things and ideas?

Equal rights. Equal pay for equal work. A right to determine what happens to our own bodies. A right to go to work, school, or just for a walk without being harassed. And we are not on par with those terms. As long as women make 30% less than men for equal work, as long as reproductive rights are subject to a vote, we are not on par.

Women have a right to go to work, school and a walk without being harassed already. Being flirted with does not equal harassment.

As far as I know, we already have equal pay.

Not everyone agrees with abortion, you know.

AND BTW, if it weren't for many,many women, you would not have the right to speak your mind here.

Men invented the bill of rights and such. Not a woman. You wouldn't even be able to post on here if it weren't for the men who invented the computer.

Queen Elizabeth I was just a queen. And even if there are SOME women who have accomplished something, there are still ten times more men who have.

We have been allowed equal rights for more than 50 years.

And Plaidman... Jesus. How many times do I have to repeat myself? The majority of men are better than women. Never have I said all. Your aunt may be strong or even the best woman in the entire world. But she's still in the minority.

Give me my apple back though. I'm hungry.

Better question to ask, is Why haven't you done anything?

Because I can't. That's exactly what I mean. The majority of women cannot do what men do. Hence why they are generally better.

See what I mean?

There is nothing rude about demanding to be treated better. Everyone should treat everyone with same respect. It won't ever happen, but there is nothing rude about demanding men to stop staring at your boobs/ass. Nothing rude about demanding to be paid equal to (if not more) the male that just got the same job you have been working at for past ten years, yet gets paid alot more due to being male.

I meant treated better than men. Not equally. We are animals. Men are going to look at boobs/ass. Women are going to look at abs/topless men. If it's alright for me to look at a man's body, it should be alright for them to look at us. Simple. As far as I know, women already have equal pay.

[Nyoibo]

Because I can't. That's exactly what I mean. The majority of women cannot do what men do. Hence why they are generally better.

See what I mean?

Sounds like you're trying to make excuses for your short fallings by bringing your whole gender down, or trying to make an excuse for why you shouldn't have to do anything and have the big strong superior man look after you.

[Plaidman]

Because I can't. That's exactly what I mean. The majority of women cannot do what men do. Hence why they are generally better.

And why can't you?

[GINSENG]

Who the hell let you out of the kitchen and onto a computer? Get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

(I find this appropriate to say in this thread, being a superior male and all ).

Oh yeah.

The_std,
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Bi...nventors.htm#A

Those are just the ones that begin with A.

BlaqueKatt, it's better to just listen to him rather than look him up on wikipedia. No one takes that place seriously. Just a heads up.

Nyoibo, Oh yes. That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm just projecting, I see.

That still doesn't explain why other women don't do anything.

And why can't you?

Because I'm a woman! *smacks Plaidman upside the head* Pay attention, sir.

[Plaidman]

Because I'm a woman! *smacks Plaidman upside the head* Pay attention, sir.

Alright. You don't feel like inventing, or doing /great/ things because your a woman and thats your excuse. Glad you cleared that up.

But not all woman feel that just because they're an woman they cannot do great things. I'm glad for that too. World would be a far worst place if only males could do stuff.

[lupo pazzesco]

So, you protest my linking a singles website blog, and your rebuttals of proof include a youtube video and another random person's blog. But it's ok, because that person is RIGHT.

And you completely missed the emphasis I placed on your stating "You should have moved past that when you were 16" Yes, the hon can be demeaning, but everything else I quoted only added to the fact that while you claim you're not being catty, your actions belie your words. But that's neither here nor there. Let's look at the argument that men want to do more with their lives, with the implication that this is why they have better jobs. I mean, it couldn't POSSIBLY be that there's discrimination in the work place.

Social Problems Journal article, Volume 49, Issue 2. "Male Advantage and the Gender Composition of Jobs: Who Rides the Glass Escalator" (Can't link the article since I got it from my library website, but here's the abstract by the author)

Is the gender gap in pay constant across all jobs, or does the gender composition of the job affect male advantage? Using data from the NLSY and a finely detailed measure of the gender composition of jobs, I investigate gender differences in wages and in wage growth. I show how they differ between female-dominated, male-dominated, and balanced jobs. Predictions from Kanter's theory of tokenism and the Williams and Acker theory of gendered organizations are tested. Findings indicate that men are advantaged, net of controls, in both pay levels and wage growth in all jobs, regardless of gender composition. Contrary to predictions generated from Kanter's tokenism theory, men to not suffer when they are tokens, in terms of pay. Not only are predictions from Kanter's theory untrue for male tokens, they also do not hold for female tokens when it comes to wages. Rather, consistent with the Williams and Acker theory of gendered organizations, men are no more-and no less-advantaged when women are tokens: in terms of earnings, men are uniformly advantaged in male-dominated, female-dominated, and balanced jobs. Analyses of promotions data indicate that men are also not additionally advantaged whether they are the numerically dominant or minority gender; in fact, male advantage in promotions is the smallest when men are tokens.

Oh, but wait. It's written by a woman, so OBVIOUSLY she's some catty feminist with a secret agenda, nevermind that there was actual, scientific research done. Man didn't write it, thus it's feminist propaganda, right? Ok, then.

Dr. Charles Mueller writing in Social Psychology Quarterly, Volume 65, volume 2 in an article titled "Interactional Processes and Gender Workplace Inequalities" (Basically, he tested empirically - with an in depth experiment whether gender inequality existed in the workplace between men and women holding the SAME JOB with the SAME QUALIFICATIONS)

The point we want to make is that gender equality will not emerge automatically when women enter the formal workforce which is dominated by men. Gender inequalities will continue to exist, not only because of numerous structural factors generated by the patriarchy but also because of the status processes that lead to power and prestige outcomes.

Oh, but you said women mostly worked retail, right? Because they don't have the ambition or drive to do better, they don't want more. Guess that means it's a female dominated field, right?

development of female-controlled organizations may prove
to empower women workers in developing nations with strong patriarchal traditions
more quickly than a strategy of integration in existing male-dominated economic institutions.
It is also possible, however, that female only enterprises ultimately may go the way of
female occupations, which consistently have been undervalued and underrewarded

(Emphasis mine)

Spoken from the lips of a man, who claims that women's occupations are undervalued. Underrewarded. Is he a crazy feminist, too?

Or, is this going to be explained away in the blanket statement from before, where you simply say that "Oh, well not everyone's like that. There are some exceptions"

Except you then turn around and once again, essentially say "women don't want to work great jobs, so men are still better. Period. End of story."

There is nothing rude about demanding to be treated better. Everyone should treat everyone with same respect. It won't ever happen, but there is nothing rude about demanding men to stop staring at your boobs/ass. Nothing rude about demanding to be paid equal to (if not more) the male that just got the same job you have been working at for past ten years, yet gets paid alot more due to being male.

QUOTED. FOR. TRUTH!!!!!

Plaidman, I <3 you.