Sexism (of both types)

[Lace Neil Singer]

Also, men get on with each other better. That's not sexist, that's an established fact.

There are however a lot of "feminazis" (not my invention) who do exactly what Ree was saying; they go nuts at things like page 3 of the Sun, but wouldn't see anything wrong with Playgirl showing hard core full frontal nudity of men.

[DexX]

Any job which involves being able to carry a particular amount of mass for a particular distance, or any other similar requirement, should be discriminatory. But not gender discriminatory: ability discriminatory.

Very well-said!

By all means, put a test in place that is more likely for men to pass than women, but at least give the female applicants a try. I'm fairly strong, but I have a female friend who's been hitting the gym hard recently, and she could probably break my arm if I arm-wrestled her. It would be ridiculous for her to be refused a physically demanding job when I'm not.

[Seshat]

Thank you.

By all means, put a test in place that is more likely for men to pass than women,

As long as the test is relevant to the job. (Though I presume you assumed it would be. I just am too cynical these days to make that assumption.)

[DexX]

Sorry, yes - a job-relevant test.

No point making them bench press 20 reps of 50kg to get into an accounting job.

[Greenday]

Sorry, yes - a job-relevant test.

No point making them bench press 20 reps of 50kg to get into an accounting job.

Piece of cake...if I was still in shape. I miss those days...

If you can't carry the stuff needed to do a job, than you are physically unable. This applies to men and women alike. It should just be a person to person basis, based on what the individual can actually do.

[guywithashovel]

I think that an important thing to consider in this situation is that each person is going to view the situaiton through his or her eyes and from his or her experience. That's probably stating the obvious, but what I mean is that it is often difficult for a woman to see things from a man's perspective, and vice versa. Many people might think that their group is the most oppressed, but they are often looking at it from only one standpoint. They haven't been in the other person's shoes.

In short, everyone gets oppressed sometimes. As a guy, the one thing that kind of gets to me is that outspoken feminists often want to act like my life is all honky dory simply because I am a caucasian male. Let me assure you, it isn't. Remember, the grass always looks greener on the other side.