Not Gay Enough? You Can't Play With Us.

[crashhelmet]

I heard about this story on the radio this morning. Apparently, 3 men were called into question and kicked off of a softball team in a gay softball league for not being gay enough.

Not gay enough for softball team?

In a time where the GLBT community is fighting for equal rights, doesn't this sound hypocritical. Not just for the rule that teams can have no more than 2 hetero players, but that they had to question just how bi-sexual they were.

Is this an elitist thing? Are bi-sexuals actually looked down upon within the community? I don't get this.

CH

[jackfaire]

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Is this an elitist thing? Are bi-sexuals actually looked down upon within the community? I don't get this.

CH

Yes we are either considered unwilling to be completely gay or considered cheaters.

The logic of the cheating thing being if you like guys and girls you won't be happy with just one.

I wonder if that means that men who like blonds and brunettes are going to cheat on their blonde girlfriend because she isn't a brunette.

[McDreidel09]

To quote the President of my Alliance (who was just kidding around when she said this): "Ah yes. Bisexuals. The bastard child of the Rainbow Spectrum"

Yes. Bisexuals are looked down upon. Bisexuals are looked down upon in the rainbow community because they like the opposite sex and are also looked down upon in the straight community because they like the same sex. I hate being told that I need to choose to be gay or to be straight. Just because I don't look at someone's gender, doesn't mean I am confused.

[smileyeagle1021]

To quote the President of my Alliance (who was just kidding around when she said this): "Ah yes. Bisexuals. The bastard child of the Rainbow Spectrum"

Sadly it is somewhat true. While I consider it to be a legit orientation, being that it isn't at either end of the spectrum where most people reside is that it isn't seen as a blend of the two extremes but as lacking either extreme (which technically is what asexuality would be, but most people don't realize that).

[Hobbs]

asexual would mean not having a sexuality, which isn't what bisexuality is.

imho, it's hard to take the GLBT community seriously when they pull stuff like this.

[McDreidel09]

I experienced a lot more tension than just bisexuals vs everyone else at the Rainbow Alphabet Soup Conference. There is this so called hierarchy that not only depends on your orientation, but your race and your ability. While I saw none of that there, the Queer People of Color (QPoC), thought there was and also thought that the conference was being able-ist and being discriminatory towards transgendered. Why? Because the QPoC and transgendered workshops were held during the same times, so transgendered people of color could not attend both, they could only attend one. Plus, the conference place was handicap accessible and there was plenty of room for everyone. Everyone was very polite and made more room for those in wheelchairs and even moved seats so they can sit up at the front!

It just astounds me that we all have the same goal, but we still manage to squabble amongst ourselves about hierarchy. *facepalm*

[crashhelmet]

I imagine there are politics at play in every group and community, but this is just something I wouldn't expect. While I'm not a member of the community, I have been somewhat active in it over the last 15 years or so, supporting friends and family members. The only time I've ever seen anything like this involved transgendered people arguing over whether or not they could be bi-sexual or not. Once again, it didn't make sense to me.

CH

[smileyeagle1021]

asexual would mean not having a sexuality, which isn't what bisexuality is.

imho, it's hard to take the GLBT community seriously when they pull stuff like this.

First, asexual does NOT mean not having a sexuality. It means that your sexuality is that you'd prefer not to have sex. The problem with discussions of orientation is that society thinks in terms of black and white (ie male/female, gay/straight, right/wrong, etc). There is very little shades of gray in a lot of what we do. So people can relatively easily understand gay and straight because it still follows the model of opposing dichotomies that we as a society oh so love. When we start moving into areas of gray people have problems.
In the original article, the players were disqualified because they were not gay... and technically they weren't. As debatable as it is whether or not that should have been a rule, they did technically violate it. The only serious attempt at a meaningful measure of the gray area is the Kingsington Scale... but even then it looks at sexuality as two extremes (0 and 7) with some people who were willing to change extremes from time to time to varying degrees (1 to 6). The problem with the Kingsington Scale though is that by that standard the vast majority of the population is bisexual (it would rate me as bisexual because even though I do not want a relationship with a woman, I could muddle through and make it work, even if it is nothing more than a friend with whom I force myself to get it up by thinking of someone else).

As far as the second comment, Hi Pot, I'm Kettle, nice to meet you. Basing views on the LGBT community because of the actions of one softball team is right up there with basing views on Christianity on the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church.

[Hobbs]

Yet, from your own posts, you base your views on Christianity on the actions of people like the WBC.

[Tanasi]

Maybe they should institue a skills test to determine if someone is gay enough???

[smileyeagle1021]

Yet, from your own posts, you base your views on Christianity on the actions of people like the WBC.

Hence me introducing myself as Kettle

That, and I judge Christianity by the people like the WBC, oh and that book of little importance, I'm sure most Christians haven't even heard of it... what was it called again... oh yeah, the Bible.

[Hyena Dandy]

Hence me introducing myself as Kettle

That, and I judge Christianity by the people like the WBC, oh and that book of little importance, I'm sure most Christians haven't even heard of it... what was it called again... oh yeah, the Bible.

Not everything in the Bible is to supposed to be taken literally. Especially in the old testament, which the apostles discounted most of anyway. Christians don't have to follow the laws set out in the old testament, my impression from reading the bible is that you have to follow the rules stated in the new testament unless there's something specifically mentioned, (Like if someone's like, "And didn't Prophet X say Y")?

And why is it always against Christians? What about Jews? They're actually supposed to follow the whole thing. Why don't you talk about their beliefs? It can't be specifically because there aren't a lot of Jewish organizations donating against homosexuals, because I know you don't claim all Christians do that. And I know for a fact that Jewish people can be just I understand that you were hurt by a group of Christians, and you perceive it has having been a personal betrayal. I can certainly understand that. But you weren't betrayed by the entirety of Christianity, and there are still groups which are accepting. Perhaps they're not in your area, but such groups still EXIST. Saying they don't is just factually inaccurate.

Too often people on both sides forget that Christianity is supposed to be a religion based around love, caring, and acceptance. Not a religion based around getting converts (although it is a religion where everyone's considered a missionary, its not founded on the basis of getting converts, you're not supposed to hurt someone even if it gets a thousand converts). I always keep loving my neighbor in mind. That's certainly a more important part of Christianity than hating gay people, no matter what some people seem to think.

There are Christians out there who are terrible people. But not all Christians are like that, and even if you have been hurt, you can't blame the entire religion for the actions of one group. In fact, the actions of a large organization that one group was part of. Think of it like a large business. The people who do things like donating money to anti-gay groups are like the corporate office, while the people who said it was fine were like a single chain. Priests are like managers. They sometimes disagree with the corporate policy, and don't always enforce it to the letter if they think its bad/harmful to their workers/etc. They don't, in other words, always follow the rulebook to the letter.

Now I'm not saying that you're wrong to feel betrayed, because its a perfectly natural feeling. But I am saying you need to realize that not ALL of us did that.

[protege]

Jeez. Let the Christian bashing begin

I mean, should I go around judging gays (and hating them) because one gay guy made a crude comment to me awhile back? Sure, it made me uncomfortable, but I got over it.

Back on topic here, with all the infighting that's going on between the various "factions" of the GLBT community, it's no wonder people don't take them seriously. Turning down someone because they're not "gay enough?" Pardon my French, but are you fucking kidding me? Why are they fighting among themselves instead of working together?

[smileyeagle1021]

Jeez. Let the Christian bashing begin

I mean, should I go around judging gays (and hating them) because one gay guy made a crude comment to me awhile back? Sure, it made me uncomfortable, but I got over it.

When gays start murdering Christians and beating them without mercy,, for no other reason than they are Christian, then that will be a fair comparison... and when it is the majority of gay people you encounter, not just one, then also will it be a fair comparison.

And back to the topic at hand

Back on topic here, with all the infighting that's going on between the various "factions" of the Christian community, it's no wonder people don't take them seriously. Turning down someone because they're not "the right denomination" Pardon my French, but are you fucking kidding me? Why are they fighting among themselves instead of working together?

See, I can play that game too. The only difference between the infighting amongst the Christian sects and the "factions" of the GLBT community is that Christianity as a whole isn't judged because of it.

[protege]

Of course, we can't forget what the Romans did to early Christians...