Broken Society

[Kimmik]

Some threads got me thinking...

I am very traditional in someways and progressive in others. I believe in God but I don't hate people that are gay, or who have abortions or do things I don't believe in. We have free choice for a reason. I believe that a parent should stay home if they are able... I think that it is my job to raise the family to cook and the like... I know that I can do anything a man can do, but I am happy in the traditional role of "housewife".

I don't think everyone should "win" after all you learn from losing. But I have watched as some people have pushed the everyone is a winner motto. I don't like smut on tv.. but I believe that it is up to me to watch or not watch, to read or not to read etc.

I try not to judge anyone cause I know my house is fragile glass. Some of my views are R and some are D and some are in between.

I am against the whole PC thing.. I don't have to like anyone or anything.. but I do have to respect your right to hold a different view.

I am against illegal immigrants regardless of what nation that they come from.. I am all for immigration done legally.

I am for gun rights... but I am also for gun control

I believe that we are more segregated today then we were in the 50's. America suffers from us vs them...
Religion Vs Atheists
Gays vs straights
R vs D
Christian vs Muslim
Majority vs minority
What ever happened to embracing diversity?
Give and take...
Every group has it's bigots

I am proud that I am a mutt.. My grandfather was Indian, a ggrandmother was mulatto, I had an uncle from Central Mexico, an adopted aunt from Korea, I am Irish a bit English and french..
My Race is human.. my nationality is American
I am proud of my mixed heritage... saddened that I get insulted if I mention that African is part of my make up because I look whiteish, that I get told I don't know about discrimination...

Humans are fragile things.... they fear things out of their norms... which is pretty normal.. you dont have to like anyone.. but you do have to respect their rights..

Marriage should be simply defined as a union between 2 consenting adults.
churches dont have to preform any ceremony they don't agree.

we have forgotten that it is ok to disagree, to not like something, to be part of a group and not agree with all that the group say.. I believe religion should not be bed fellows with politics.

Shit I hope that makes sense...

[jackfaire]

*looks sheepish* at first I thought you meant R&D as in research and development.

[HYHYBT]

Sounds good to me!

[Amanita]

Likewise.
I think it's sad that every disagreement seems to end in screaming these days, we've lost the ability to "agree to disagree".

[Wingates_Hellsing]

What fantasy world did you learn about in history class? Seems to me that people have always been divided. The past isn't a magical land where people spoke plainly and everyone always agreed. To the contrary, most people held different beliefs from one another, and horrible things were done in the name of conformity.

We're most definitely less segregated than we were before, in that whatever division we choose to make amongst ourselves is an individual decision, and not a state sponsored program. We may not like what other people think, but we're exposed to it far more than ever before.

As with just about any "Oh, woe betide modern times" rants, the core mistake being made is the assumption that an increased ability to see disagreement must mean there is more. Bullshit, it just looks like that because we not only by default know far more about our own time than we do about yesteryear, but through technology we're bombarded with information about almost everything of more than passing significance (or less).

P.S. Didn't we have a whole thread about "these days" statements and why they're BS?

[Kimmik]

What fantasy world did you learn about in history class?

I never said that the past was rosy, thank you very much. I happen to be rather proud of my historical knowledge..

[Wingates_Hellsing]

I never said that the past was rosy, thank you very much. I happen to be rather proud of my historical knowledge..

Implying that a fairly progressive modern world is shittier and the people are inherently worse than before is to ignore how shitty and fraught with crap the world and people were before. I can't think of a time where people weren't on average more insensitive, racist and stubborn than they are now, unless the storyline of leave it to beaver really did define the 50's (hint: it doesn't.)

[fireheart17]

I am for gun rights... but I am also for gun control

I believe that we are more segregated today then we were in the 50's. America suffers from us vs them...
Religion Vs Atheists
Gays vs straights
R vs D
Christian vs Muslim
Majority vs minority
What ever happened to embracing diversity?
Give and take...
Every group has it's bigots

Most of this can be echoed in Australia as well. Although you can also add onto that "first past the post vs. preferential" in terms of votes and substitute "Liberal vs Labor" for the R vs D"

[Boozy]

I believe that we are more segregated today then we were in the 50's.

The 1950's - when there was actual institutionalized and government-mandated racial segregation?

When McCarthyism and the Red Scare saw American citizens with "subversive" political opinions actually imprisoned for their beliefs?

America is not more segregated now than during the 1950's. That is a cold hard fact and I can give examples out all day if I had the time.

[Kimmik]

The 1950's - when there was actual institutionalized and government-mandated racial segregation?

When McCarthyism and the Red Scare saw American citizens with "subversive" political opinions actually imprisoned for their beliefs?

America is not more segregated now than during the 1950's. That is a cold hard fact and I can give examples out all day if I had the time.

Actually we still have versions of McCarthyism While yes we aren't locking people up.. we still black ball people, we still use a group as boogie men.. And yes we still have governmental segregation. I never said it was just racial, but hell there is still cases of that. I can remember a case where a white family couldn't adopt a black child because they couldn't teach the child about their culture.

How about this as an example.

Yes it is true we do not have the signage Blacks only Whites only... No instead it is undercurrents. And it is not just racial.

[Boozy]

"Us" vs. "Them" thinking still exists today, but it's hardly worse than in the 50's, which was your original claim.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Isolated events to not an entire society describe. Because a few people here and there are assholes, that doesn't mean the rest of us are closet racists (or whatever).

[Rageaholic]

Humans are fragile things.... they fear things out of their norms... which is pretty normal.. you dont have to like anyone.. but you do have to respect their rights..

Marriage should be simply defined as a union between 2 consenting adults.
churches dont have to preform any ceremony they don't agree.

we have forgotten that it is ok to disagree, to not like something, to be part of a group and not agree with all that the group say.. I believe religion should not be bed fellows with politics.

Shit I hope that makes sense...

Makes enough sense to me! I've always held this belief that if it's not hurting or affecting anyone, than to let others live their lives the way they want. Sure, that gets fuzzy with things like abortion, but for the most part, it shouldn't be too hard to understand. When people start telling others how to live, or even worse, making laws telling them how to live, than they cross the line. Everyone is entitled to live their life the way they want, not culture or society.