Fired for being sexy?!

[Red Panda]

In my experience if the good looking woman is discrimnated against in the office it is by everyone else doing her work.

I think the case here is that her coworkers couldn't control their urges with her around.

[fireheart17]

If you advance far enough into the gallery in the 2nd article you'll see the dreaded turtleneck that caused a fuss. There is a reason why I quoted you, actually.

This woman has a knockout hourglass figure, with a bubble butt and large breasts. Ask any woman with that figure and they'll tell you it's very tricky to get clothes to fit loosely. Because of this, it's rather absurd to penalize her for having a figure when she cannot help what she looks like.

Depends on if the figure is real or fake.

[Boozy]

If you advance far enough into the gallery in the 2nd article you'll see the dreaded turtleneck that caused a fuss. There is a reason why I quoted you, actually.

This woman has a knockout hourglass figure, with a bubble butt and large breasts. Ask any woman with that figure and they'll tell you it's very tricky to get clothes to fit loosely. Because of this, it's rather absurd to penalize her for having a figure when she cannot help what she looks like.

First of all, I do not believe that she was fired for being attractive.

Second, I don't believe that the outfits she chose to display for the press comprised the entirety of her work wardrobe.

I can't prove it, so I'll have to bow out of the debate at this point. But every iota of common sense I have tells me that women do not get fired just for being pretty.

[AdminAssistant]

I can't prove it, so I'll have to bow out of the debate at this point. But every iota of common sense I have tells me that women do not get fired just for being pretty.

They don't.

And she isn't pretty. She has a hot body, but she also has what one of my college friends would call, "Arkansas Face". If she's so damn attractive, why is she working in the business world instead of being a model or an actress?

Besides, no woman is sooooo hot that an entire conference room of businessmen can't keep it in their pants during a meeting. If she was dressing inappropriately (low cut shirts, tight clothing), then she should fix it. Oh, it's hard to find clothes like that? Cry me a fucking river, lady. If I can find professional-looking clothing for my fat ass, you can do it.

She was fired for incompetence, and found a way to get back at the company, IMO. She doesn't look distressed at all; she looks like she's loving the attention. And I'll lay $20 that she'll be on The Apprentice within a year.

[HEMI6point1]

They don't.

And she isn't pretty. She has a hot body, but she also has what one of my college friends would call, "Arkansas Face". If she's so damn attractive, why is she working in the business world instead of being a model or an actress?

Besides, no woman is sooooo hot that an entire conference room of businessmen can't keep it in their pants during a meeting. If she was dressing inappropriately (low cut shirts, tight clothing), then she should fix it. Oh, it's hard to find clothes like that? Cry me a fucking river, lady. If I can find professional-looking clothing for my fat ass, you can do it.

She was fired for incompetence, and found a way to get back at the company, IMO. She doesn't look distressed at all; she looks like she's loving the attention. And I'll lay $20 that she'll be on The Apprentice within a year.

I'm going to be blunt here....

The first part of your post reeks of pure jealousy, plain and simple. And I'm going to stop there.

Secondly, because she's pretty she's not fit for the workforce? How stereotypical is that?

Finally, did you even read the article? It's no coincidence that they raised her job goals to impossible levels after she complained.

I hope she wins this is all I can say.

[Arcade Man D]

I think Chicago is a work at will state, so they can make an excuse to fire you for anything.

Not really. If a company gives a reason for your firing, that has to be the reason for it. If a company fires me because, say, they find out I have Spanish heritage, and they say they fired me because of job performance, and I can prove my performance was up to snuff, it's still wrongful termination, no matter how lax of an at-will state it it.

[Mongo Skruddgemire]

The thing is, a woman can dress and look wonderful without having to resort to "painted on" tight clothes.

There are many options that flatter and enhance the curvature of a body without looking like a hooker.

Sadly too many women shoot for the "woman of ill-repute" look.

[KnitShoni]

I'm going to be blunt here....

The first part of your post reeks of pure jealousy, plain and simple. And I'm going to stop there.

Secondly, because she's pretty she's not fit for the workforce? How stereotypical is that?

Finally, did you even read the article? It's no coincidence that they raised her job goals to impossible levels after she complained.

I hope she wins this is all I can say.

Yeah...I'm not getting the jealousy thing. She really isn't so pretty that she can justify making the "they fired me because I'm pretty" claim. Saying/thinking that makes the speaker jealous? Sorry, when I showed my husband (who has no qualms saying a woman is attractive) her picture, and his reaction was, "Ugh," yeah, I think I can say she ain't all that. Yes, she has a great body. Lots of women in corporate America have great bodies. They don't get fired for it.

And the question of why she's in the business world is often asked of women who think they're too pretty to actually do some work, then want to blame the men around when they get called on it.

As far as her complaint on when they raised her job goals: On that, we're only getting her version. Anyone can alter their version of events to make themselves look good or look like a victim.

[KnitShoni]

Wow. She's on the verge of losing another bank job. This time, for talking to the press about the suit: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...hlee_loren.php

They say she's bashing the industry as a whole, which is against their policy. They asked her if she was going to stop, she thought about it, then said no, she wouldn't.

[HEMI6point1]

Wow. She's on the verge of losing another bank job. This time, for talking to the press about the suit: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...hlee_loren.php

They say she's bashing the industry as a whole, which is against their policy. They asked her if she was going to stop, she thought about it, then said no, she wouldn't.

How is she bashing the industry?! Talking about the suit? How is that "bashing?"

That whole policy is a violation of 1st amendment rights, IMO.

[negruvoda]

Wow,
Ok where to start.

Those of you who say she was dressing whorish, did you even look at the pictures? That is appropriate business attire in the whole world. Nothing trashy, and I've seen trashy in North America. She looks stylish that's all. And why should a woman like that have to hide her figure (since she's obviously not showing any skin)?

If the bank has proof of inappropriate clothing, they will have a chance to show it in court, and we will also have a chance to see it.

And to the lady who said her husband did not like the pictures, which ones? I personally did not like the glamor ones, but the business suit looked fine, and the turtleneck is dam sexy and fetching. I believe your husband may be prevaricating.

[KnitShoni]

Wow,
Ok where to start.

Those of you who say she was dressing whorish, did you even look at the pictures? That is appropriate business attire in the whole world. Nothing trashy, and I've seen trashy in North America. She looks stylish that's all. And why should a woman like that have to hide her figure (since she's obviously not showing any skin)?

If the bank has proof of inappropriate clothing, they will have a chance to show it in court, and we will also have a chance to see it.

And to the lady who said her husband did not like the pictures, which ones? I personally did not like the glamor ones, but the business suit looked fine, and the turtleneck is dam sexy and fetching. I believe your husband may be prevaricating.

As far as her dress, no, she wasn't dressing whorish. I didn't actually comment on her dress. However, I've seen better looking women dressed like that, and if they DO get fired, it's not because of dress.

She is the one saying her style of dress is what got her fired, so the burden of proof is on her. SHE will have to prove that's why they fired her, and SHE will have to prove her claim about when they raise her job goals.

As far as my husband not liking the pictures, he was referring to her face. She's cute, but, as I said, she's not pretty enough to make the "they fired me because I'm pretty" claim. So, no, he wasn't prevaricating. Just stating his taste.

[blas87]

Two important things here: I have an hourglass figure and I work at a factory.

I have never, nor will ever, dress "sexy" or even fancy for work, for obvious reasons, and I have been complained about and sent to the boss' office more times than I care to count or remember for "inappropriate" and "too tight" of clothing. Think what you want, I honestly believe some women just can't handle that other women look better than them. And trust me, when I got the lame excuses like "You need to dress more conservatively because you could be harrassed".....fuck that. If men cannot control themselves by seeing a young lady in jeans and a fucking tshirt, they should not be working there. I have never gone fancier than sweaters with undershirts or v cut shirts with a tank under. I NEVER show cleavage unless I bend way, way, way over. You don't see my lower back or butt crack unless I sit on the floor, which I don't do. In fact, I purposely wear shirts for work a little long so that won't happen.

Some of it may be bs, some of it may be true. We don't really know. All I am saying is it is possible that jealousy and immaturity can play a role if a woman is just nice looking or has a nice figure, and you can't force someone to wear a gunnysack to work so that other women feel better about themselves and men can control themselves.

[Anthony K. S.]

Just a minor point :

That whole policy is a violation of 1st amendment rights, IMO.

Actually, no.

The First Amendment only protects your right of free speech from interference by the government.

It does not apply to private institutions, such as Chase.


With that said . . . Whether Chase's position has any logical merit or not is another story.

Their Code of Conduct does, however, apparently prohibit speaking negatively to the media about "anything related to the financial services industry," and she actually is doing that.

Regardless of whether she or her attorney believe it's fair or logical, she did agree to abide by Chase's Code of Conduct when she took a job with their company.

If she didn't realize that what she was doing here was in violation of their Code of Conduct, that's one thing. But the fact that they have now told her about it and she is still pursuing this with the media, in direct violation of Chase's orders . . .

It's pretty foolish, in my opinion. Her job with Chase was already at risk, but she might have had a chance to salvage the situation. Continuing to talk to the media at this point, however, is like waving a flag at Chase saying, "Go ahead and fire me!"

I find it odd that for somebody who was talking about how hard it is to make ends meet after losing her job with Citibank, and how she and her child had to go without presents this past Christmas . . . She doesn't seem overly concerned about the possibility of losing yet another job.

[HEMI6point1]

As far as my husband not liking the pictures, he was referring to her face. She's cute, but, as I said, she's not pretty enough to make the "they fired me because I'm pretty" claim. So, no, he wasn't prevaricating. Just stating his taste.

Could it be that he was downplaying how he really feels because you might have snapped at him?

I have known guys who downplay their tastes or attraction to other women in front of their girlfriends/wives for fear they'll get blasted for it. Then when they're with their guy friends they'll say how they really feel.

I'm not saying this was surely the case, but it could be.

BTW, kinda on-topic to this....

There is a news weather girl down here (Julie Durda) who insists on wearing skirts and tops that are very tight. To my knowledge, no one has ever complained. Then again when it's pretty much the same weather every day, the station has to give people some incentive to watch the weather....