Fired for being sexy?!

[BlaqueKatt]

Depends on if the figure is real or fake.

aaaand it's not

Four plastic surgeries(2 boob jobs-one to make her a "huge perky double d", a tummy tuck and liposuction)-claims wanted to be "stacked like a playboy playmate", "a cross between Pamela Anderson and Carmen Electra" And my favorite quote " I wanna be tits on a stick"

I'm guessing she's upset at not getting to show off her "investment", or not getting the attention she wanted/expected(remember studies show women that have breast augmentation usually have very low self-esteem). And the fact that she admits to having the surgery to find her "dream man" and he'd be happy with her because she looked like a playboy playmate-maybe she felt slighted because after being told to not wear clothing that accented her curves, she'd never find her man. Sorry but believing a man only cares about looks, and that's all it takes to make a man happy, just screams shallow to me, maybe I'm wrong....

[negruvoda]

@ KnitShoni,

I apologize if I misunderstood whether you were referring to her dress or not.

As to the burden of proof, she has none, she is claiming that she was fired for her dress stile (only the article says it was because she was pretty). That is a discrimination claim. The employers have to bring proof of her training, tasks not completed and 3 written admonishments, signed by the HR, her supervisor, and herself (at least they would in Canada). It does not matter what she thinks they fired her for, as long as she can prove discrimination by, honestly, just the absence of the above paperwork.

We shall see.

[negruvoda]

Aaaaand, I just read the last post.

And I really don't know what to say. It changes my view of her, but not the case. Too bad, I've actually seen women who look like that naturaly.

[Anthony K. S.]

"Whatever her assets are, they don't have a right to comment on them or objectify her," said lawyer Jack Tuckner.

On various news sites, there have been many comments made about this, including this one :

"Oh, yes. Let us not objectify the woman who went on television to declare her ambition to be 'tits-on-a-stick.'"


In my view, Ms. Lorenzana's credibility has taken a hit.

"It's so tiring," Lorenzana tells the Voice. "My entire life, I've been dealing with this. 'Cause people say, 'Oh, you got a job because you look that way.' So you gotta work four times harder to prove you are capable. To prove you didn't get this because of the way you look.

Wait. She has spent her entire life working against her beauty to prove herself, so she decided to have four surgeries that would greatly exacerbate the problem?

"If being less good-looking," she says, "means being happy and finding love and not being sexually harassed and having a job where no one bothers you and no one questions you because of your looks, then, definitely, I'd want that. I think of that every day."

. . . These are the words of a person who appeared on a television documentary and praised plastic surgery, describing her desire to be "stacked like a Playboy Playmate" . . . ?


At this point, the most I could do to give her the benefit of the doubt is to presume that she made a bad mistake (getting the plastic surgeries) which she now deeply regrets. She has come to realize that having a knockout body isn't everything she imagined it to be.

Now, I could sympathize with that. We all do things from time to time that we later kick ourselves for.

What I don't sympathize with is the way she is now re-writing history to paint herself as a person who has been victimized all of her life by the curse of genetics.

She talks about her beauty as if it was something she had absolutely no control over, and something that has been a burden to her during her entire life . . . Well, it obviously couldn't have been that much of a burden if she was willing to undergo four surgeries to enhance it.

As I've said, her credibility in my mind has taken a hit. Not because of the surgeries, but because of this revisionist picture of her life that she is attempting to pass off on people.

[Hyena Dandy]

All I can say is that it seems like there's something fishy going on with her... I don't know what it is, but something doesn't click about this story. I can't say what it is, but something doesn't feel right.

One thing, irrelevant to the case that is bugging me about her. She's doing this whole "I wish I wasn't so sexy" act... But in my experience, its really easy not to be pretty. Part of it would be not getting plastic surgery, but you could exercise a little less. A body like that doesn't MAINTAIN itself.

I think the burden of proof is on her. The main part of it is that she has to prove that the work she was given was beyond her training, as opposed to really difficult work that was still within her training. I'm not going to call her incompetent, but it seems to me that what she has to do is simple. She has to show what her training was, and show what she had to do.

I think this "I was fired for being too pretty" thing is a little peculiar, and I think that its more a case that she was given this impossible work because her bosses felt she was unpleasant to work with then that she was so drop-dead gorgeous that they couldn't stand to be around her.

That might be part of what's bugging me... I mean, it seems to me that beauty is something you want to be around, right? I mean, if she's so pretty people can't control themselves, then wouldn't they want to be around her?

Its possible that her outfits weren't the real thing people were complaining about. It could have been her attitude. After all, I've always said its not the clothes you wear, but how you wear them.




I'm not accusing her of anything, mind you. I'm just trying to reconcile the things that just don't click to me...

[Red Panda]

Just a minor point :



Actually, no.

The First Amendment only protects your right of free speech from interference by the government.

It does not apply to private institutions, such as Chase.


With that said . . . Whether Chase's position has any logical merit or not is another story.

Their Code of Conduct does, however, apparently prohibit speaking negatively to the media about "anything related to the financial services industry," and she actually is doing that.

Regardless of whether she or her attorney believe it's fair or logical, she did agree to abide by Chase's Code of Conduct when she took a job with their company.

If she didn't realize that what she was doing here was in violation of their Code of Conduct, that's one thing. But the fact that they have now told her about it and she is still pursuing this with the media, in direct violation of Chase's orders . . .

It's pretty foolish, in my opinion. Her job with Chase was already at risk, but she might have had a chance to salvage the situation. Continuing to talk to the media at this point, however, is like waving a flag at Chase saying, "Go ahead and fire me!"

I find it odd that for somebody who was talking about how hard it is to make ends meet after losing her job with Citibank, and how she and her child had to go without presents this past Christmas . . . She doesn't seem overly concerned about the possibility of losing yet another job.

How dare a woman who has been discriminated against talk about her discrimination. She is almost as bad as all those uppity colored folks that kept marching around because they wanted to be treated fairly. When will people learn that if you want to be treated without prejiduce and a special set of rules you should just become a white male

[KnitShoni]

How dare a woman who has been discriminated against talk about her discrimination. She is almost as bad as all those uppity colored folks that kept marching around because they wanted to be treated fairly. When will people learn that if you want to be treated without prejiduce and a special set of rules you should just become a white male

What, being attractive is a protected minority, now?

[Red Panda]

If she was fired for the way she looks isn't that grounds to complain about being fired for how she looks?

I bet if this was a story about a woman being fired for being too ugly people would be up in arms about it. Unfortanaly there is a steretype that if a woman takes care of herself she must be a ditz who uses her looks to get anything she wants and doesn't deserve any sympthathy. Lets punish people who try to be healthy and beatiful. That makes sense.

[blas87]

Red Panda, I cannot agree with you more.

If this were a case where a woman was (God forbid) fired for being overweight or too skinny or not having large enough breasts or whatever (I'm thinking of my bf's sister's job as a cocktail waitress right now, do not ask me how it's legal for them to threaten the waitresses "If you gain anymore weight you are fired!"), there would be pages and pages of "I'm a plus size woman and I'm proud!" or "How dare they!"

Granted, I hate genuine ditzes and idiot bimbos who use their looks to their advantage, but they are easy to pick out from a girl who is just pretty and a decent person all around.

This whole story is kind of weird, and I don't think anyone really knows what really happened. Is she a fake and a phony for having a fake body? Perhaps to some, perhaps not to another some. That depends on your view of plastic surgery. If her body was naturally that curvy and sexy, people would still be hating on her because "Ohhh wahh she thinks life is so hard being pretty, she should be me someday, I'm overweight/have acne/am losing my hair and I wish someone would give me attention!"

[KnitShoni]

If she was fired for the way she looks isn't that grounds to complain about being fired for how she looks?

I bet if this was a story about a woman being fired for being too ugly people would be up in arms about it. Unfortanaly there is a steretype that if a woman takes care of herself she must be a ditz who uses her looks to get anything she wants and doesn't deserve any sympthathy. Lets punish people who try to be healthy and beatiful. That makes sense.

Here's the thing. That's a big "IF." Are we to ignore the possibility that she's upset her looks didn't get her the treatment she thought she deserved? Because no one's ever done that before, right? And it's not at all possible that she wasn't doing the job she'd been hired to do. Because, of course, everyone who cries discrimination is automatically right.

[Hobbs]

Blas, it's legal because...

Under Federal law, employers generally cannot discriminate against employees on the basis of:

Race
Sex
Pregnancy
Religion
National origin
Disability (physical or mental, including HIV status)
Age (for workers over 40)
Military service or affiliation
Anticipated deployment with the Reserves or National Guard
Bankruptcy or bad debts
Genetic information
Citizenship status (for citizens, permanent residents, temporary residents, refugees, and asylees)

I got it from Wiki, but I didn't feel like following the links.

[blas87]

That's not what Panda and I are trying to argue against. We are going against the nit picking about how good looking people are all self absorbed vain assholes who depend on their looks to get them everywhere in life.

[fireheart17]

I wonder what the public's opinion would be if there were photos of her pre-surgery.

Red Panda, your argument over "discrimination for looks" might hold some grounding to an extent, however it depends on two things: 1) if there is a requirement for the person to attach a headshot to their application (there are a few places that do this-I've refused to apply based on that alone), and 2) if the person actually does the job they are required to do and/or can prove that they are doing the job they were required to do.

I'm actually wondering if anyone's found a link that asks the question why she hasn't become a model/stripper?

[Fashion Lad!]

She is very attractive. Wow!

But, I found the clothes in the picture were definitely conservative. I just admitted that she's a stunner, but I would not have an issue working with her in the clothes in her little photo-shoot.

If she did request training but was still under-performing and Citi-Bank used her performance (or lack there of) as the reason for termination, she has a case.

I've seen it at places I've worked at too. Attractive girl wears fitted clothes and then gets told she needs to knock it down because she's distracting. Then unattractive girl wears clothes that fit just as tight and she's not told anything about her clothes.

With all this being said, I don't believe everything she says. She's attractive, yes. But she knows she's attractive and it seems like she's using that to get her way as far as this lawsuit is concerned. She keeps mentioning she's attractive. I hate people like that.

[Red Panda]

I wonder what the public's opinion would be if there were photos of her pre-surgery.

Red Panda, your argument over "discrimination for looks" might hold some grounding to an extent, however it depends on two things: 1) if there is a requirement for the person to attach a headshot to their application (there are a few places that do this-I've refused to apply based on that alone), and 2) if the person actually does the job they are required to do and/or can prove that they are doing the job they were required to do.

I'm actually wondering if anyone's found a link that asks the question why she hasn't become a model/stripper?

All attractive women should consider being models or strippers? I guess when it comes to jobs working in a bank is on the same level as taking off your clothes then. Believe it or not just because a woman is attractive it doesn't mean she doesn't want to rely on that, as this case has shown. Some woman actually want to do their jobs and not have to worry about if they are looking good enough or too good.