Of bogus sexual harassment claims and a collage degree myth (long)

[Hobbs]

Anyone got a spare irony meter? Mine just broke.

Rapscallion

What's that supposed to mean?

[Rapscallion]

Well, this is funny, see? You said that unless Blaquekatt was able to produce qualifications, then she was only able to rely on other peoples' research. In that way, you attempted to demean her position in this debate.

Your next sentence, and this is the funny bit, is where you attempted to gain authority in the debate by citing the fact that your brother is an educator, not yourself, which is exactly the nub of your previous argument against Blaquekatt.

Quite risible.

Rapscallion

[Hobbs]

Risible? Stop making up words.

I was an education major, if that helps. I cut it out from my courses when I needed to graduate sooner.

Still doesn't invalidate what I said.

[Rapscallion]

Risible? Stop making up words.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...ible&meta=&rlz=

I was an education major, if that helps.

Ah, but you cited your brother. That caused me much mirth.

Rapscallion

[Hobbs]

I still say you made that up.

[HEMI6point1]

Back on the topic of SH, when I told that story of the women who got photographer guy and compliment guy fired to a co-worker, he said what I thought but didn't bother saying: "The women probably thought they were fugly."

This video is an SNL skit featuring Tom Brady (NFL player, for those that don't know): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVuAGFcGKY

I know it's supposed to by a comedy skit, but sadly it rings true: Many times the difference between a sexual harassment complaint and a date / photoshoot / whatever is looking unattractive and looking like.... Tom Brady.

[fireheart17]

Steering this back on-topic.

I do agree 100% on the sexual harassment claims. There's one case I can recall from my old store where one of the guys sexually harrassed quite a few of my coworkers (nearly every female his age). Nobody reported him. Or I should say, I asked him to back off and I got in trouble (this was me, not me on behalf of someone).

Regarding the college degree myth, the area I'm going for-teaching-DOES require that you have a Bachelor's Degree in teaching, MINIMUM. Most federal government jobs also require a Bachelor's Degree and while it's preferable to have one in the field you're going into (some of the finance ones actually do require an accounting degree), it doesn't matter if you don't-you have full training.

From reading the posts, I think I definitely prefer the way things are done down here-all the degrees offered at the universities focus PURELY on the stuff you need. Bachelor of Arts is the exception-you pick a major, and then a minor, and study those for three years. You can do a bunch of other stuff for electives, but aside from the requirements for your major and minor (i.e. you study Criminology, you're required to take a class on the Justice System) you have free rein. Some courses do require that you take core topics-for instance if you're studying nanotechnology, you're required to also study chemistry and physics.

[Plaidman]

I can see the second one being SH.

We don't know how he said he did shots.

Did he drool while he did it while lookin up and down her?

Did all he have on his website were naked girls?

If someone is told they do photo shots, (WITHOUT stating that he will do it with her in full clothes) and gives her a website, and she goes there, and they are all naked, then yeah. I can see why she would put two and two together of him wanting to see her naked even if he is a professonal.

[HEMI6point1]

Steering this back on-topic.

I do agree 100% on the sexual harassment claims. There's one case I can recall from my old store where one of the guys sexually harrassed quite a few of my coworkers (nearly every female his age). Nobody reported him. Or I should say, I asked him to back off and I got in trouble (this was me, not me on behalf of someone).

From reading the posts, I think I definitely prefer the way things are done down here-all the degrees offered at the universities focus PURELY on the stuff you need. Bachelor of Arts is the exception-you pick a major, and then a minor, and study those for three years. You can do a bunch of other stuff for electives, but aside from the requirements for your major and minor (i.e. you study Criminology, you're required to take a class on the Justice System) you have free rein. Some courses do require that you take core topics-for instance if you're studying nanotechnology, you're required to also study chemistry and physics.

So you would lodge an SH complaint on a guy for telling you that you look nice, for offering to take some test shots in casualwear, and asking you out for coffee because he knows you're single? Wow. I'm sorry but that's just sad.

However, I do agree with the way your country does college. If the American college system were like that, there would be a lot more enrollments.

I can see the second one being SH.

We don't know how he said he did shots.

Did he drool while he did it while lookin up and down her?

Did all he have on his website were naked girls?

If someone is told they do photo shots, (WITHOUT stating that he will do it with her in full clothes) and gives her a website, and she goes there, and they are all naked, then yeah. I can see why she would put two and two together of him wanting to see her naked even if he is a professonal.

This photographer reportedly had a range of model shots, ranging from casualwear (tank top / jeans, for example) to nightwear/lingerie to some artistic nudes. I think he did mention the shots would be clothed and she just jumped to conclusions, like I said earlier.

And as any professional glamour photographer will tell you, if you drool you'll be considered a pervert with a camera and no one will want to work with you. On the forum on a glamour website, one of the members (not me) asked a question to the photographers: "What the hell happens when you're taking pictures of a model, and she's so hot you just become overwhelmed?"

He replied, "While this is considered a dream job for just about any hetero male - myself included - you have to remember that you are not on a date. The model is not on a date. You are here to conduct business. The model is not expecting you to turn asexual around her, but don't make it obvious around her. All it takes is one wrong girl to complaint about you and it's all over. I knew some friends that had tried to become glamour photographers and they just couldn't handle it."

[Kimmik]

Risible? Stop making up words.

I was an education major, if that helps. I cut it out from my courses when I needed to graduate sooner.

Still doesn't invalidate what I said.

To qoute Websters Dictionary

Main Entry: ris·i·ble
Pronunciation: \ˈri-zə-bəl\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin risibilis, from Latin risus, past participle of ridēre to laugh
Date: 1557

1 a : capable of laughing b : disposed to laugh
2 : arousing or provoking laughter; especially : laughable
3 : associated with, relating to, or used in laughter <risible muscles>

— ris·i·bly \-blē\ adverb

Now on the topic of sexual harassment the problem is it means different things to different people.. I like Admin would have thought the glamor shots that were all the rage in the late 80's and 90's. If the gentleman had given me his web addy and I saw the others I would have also thought it was his way of being sexual to me. Now if he said what he did and how he was thinking of shooting me... and said here is my web site there are a few risque poses but it will show you the quality of my work.. That wouldnt have even been close to harassment.

By the way this is the stupidest comment I have ever seen.

Host of said show basically asked what everybody in the room was thinking, "Do you honestly expect any heterosexual man to compliment you when you're completely covered up on the other days? You were basically complaining on a male for being.... male."

So if I show skin then I am worthy of a males compliment but if not... That is the very essence of harassment. Only finding her pleasing to the eye the less she wears that has nothing to do with being male and everything to do with being sexist.

[Plaidman]

By the way this is the stupidest comment I have ever seen.

So if I show skin then I am worthy of a males compliment but if not... That is the very essence of harassment. Only finding her pleasing to the eye the less she wears that has nothing to do with being male and everything to do with being sexist.

Are you that shocked? You should read some of the other stuff. Including my personal fave in the degrading mag, if a women is ugly, he WILL call them on it.


His opinions on women are very low judging from all his posts.

[KnitShoni]

As sort of an answer to the host's question: Yes. I DO expect heterosexual men to compliment a woman who is completely covered. That may just be because I see it happen a lot, and it happens to me a lot, so to encounter a man who ONLY compliments women when they're showing skin would seem strange to me.

[HEMI6point1]

Now on the topic of sexual harassment the problem is it means different things to different people.. I like Admin would have thought the glamor shots that were all the rage in the late 80's and 90's. If the gentleman had given me his web addy and I saw the others I would have also thought it was his way of being sexual to me. Now if he said what he did and how he was thinking of shooting me... and said here is my web site there are a few risque poses but it will show you the quality of my work.. That wouldnt have even been close to harassment.

By the way this is the stupidest comment I have ever seen.

So if I show skin then I am worthy of a males compliment but if not... That is the very essence of harassment. Only finding her pleasing to the eye the less she wears that has nothing to do with being male and everything to do with being sexist.

As far as the photographer, I don't remember exactly if he mentioned the risque shots but I'm sure he did. I don't think any photographer would give a prospective client his web address without informing her that there might be "objectionable" material on the site. Unless of course they're in the UK where nudity is treated as no big deal.

As far as the man who got axed for paying the woman compliments on the casual days: I can greatly assume (with all the dangers of assuming) that his job there was like mine. On my job, they changed the dress code where women can wear the company-issued collared polo or wear something casual of your own as long as it's not indecent (Although "not indecent" has a different meaning to some people. Not that I'm complaining.). Trust me, the company-issued polos are HORRIBLE. No one looks good in them. Even Heidi Klum wouldn't look good in the them. Therefore, I'm not going to compliment someone for wearing it. I'll save my compliment for when they're wearing something that actually looks, you know, worth pointing out.

[Plaidman]

As far as the photographer, I don't remember exactly if he mentioned the risque shots but I'm sure he did. I don't think any photographer would give a prospective client his web address without informing her that there might be "objectionable" material on the site. Unless of course they're in the UK where nudity is treated as no big deal.

So, you don't even know what country it happens, but your automatically taken the male side. Not too shocking there, but why don't you find all the sides, before you automatically go oh that women just wants to take males down cause she's a female and doesn't like men.

[KnitShoni]

As far as the man who got axed for paying the woman compliments on the casual days: I can greatly assume (with all the dangers of assuming) that his job there was like mine. On my job, they changed the dress code where women can wear the company-issued collared polo or wear something casual of your own as long as it's not indecent (Although "not indecent" has a different meaning to some people. Not that I'm complaining.). Trust me, the company-issued polos are HORRIBLE. No one looks good in them. Even Heidi Klum wouldn't look good in the them. Therefore, I'm not going to compliment someone for wearing it. I'll save my compliment for when they're wearing something that actually looks, you know, worth pointing out.

But, as you yourself said, you are just assuming. And, there are men who will compliment women in "horrible looking" polos. There is more to looking nice than the style of clothing.