Student with straight F grades gets her diploma

[smileyeagle1021]

That's ridiculous. The onus is on you to prove your argument. You can't just make some statement out of the blue and have everyone accept it as fact until they prove you wrong. Debate doesn't work like that.

You mean I can't just make wild claims about being the best endowed male in Utah and back it up with nothing other than "well prove me wrong"
Damn

You mention people getting passing grades for classes. You do not mention somebody getting a diploma without any passing grades at all. There is a huge differance

The differance between getting a passing grade in a single class and getting a diploma when she failed all of her classes is that you need to pass classes to get the diploma. She didn't. Getting a passing grade in a class, even if undeserved, is still a passing grade.

So, explain to me, exactly how someone who never actually earns a passing grade, yet keeps recieving them and graduates is different than someone who never earned/nor recieved a passing grade graduating?
From where I'm sitting, neither person earned the passing grades to graduate and the end result is the same. The only difference is in this case all the bullshit was lumped into one decision to graduate her rather than multiple bullshit decisions to give passing grades when the student shouldn't have passed.

[Cassandra]

Ok I am going to put my two cents in here and state this;

My high school is mixed, majority black, but the rest is split among white, hispanic, and asian. I graduated 11 years ago, but worked for the same board of education for 3 years (ending this past week). Btw, I'm white and I mention this for clarification for some, not because I think it really matters in the end.

Our city has an alternative high school. It is meant for persons such as the one mentioned in the article. Troubled individuals who want/need their diploma but need extra help. I worked in the registration department for my last year in the board. You want to know the races of the people I registered for this alternative high school? Mixed. Yep, whites, asians, and blacks alike fell in this group. And it was pretty even in the distribution. There were no more blacks than whites that were in this program. So in my city there was no correlation between race and "free pass".

Now to take the focus off of race for a minute and focus on the op. Instead of letting someone get their diploma when they are clearly not trying to get their education is horrible. It brings the reputation of the school, teachers, principals, and board members down considerably. It makes the students who actually worked their asses off for that piece of paper feel like shit. It pisses off tons of people. And it causes lots of questions to be raised. As I have mentioned, my city provides an alternative for what would be considered problem students, or students who are having issues with the traditional classroom setting. And if you sign up for this program because you are a problem student and miss three days, you are kicked out and told to try a different program elsewhere, i.e. they are tough. Maybe that's what this person needed rather than to be shoved through the system because no one wanted to be bothered to help.

[Plaidman]

Personally, I think if you can't get a GED, and refuse to go to school, fine. Let them. But they are blacklined on welfare and can't get any of it.

Make them pay to get back into a class and get their GED, and then maybe they can have some tiny amount of benefits.


Like I've said plenty of times, if you hurt people where they need to be, they'll stop doing stupid things.


Welfare is one of the biggest things that needs to be fixed so that people that need it, get it, and the welfare scum that abuse it or get it because hey, I'm too fucking lazy to do something besides do drugs all day, don't ever get it. They dug themselves into those holes, and they need to prove that they deserve to be out of it.

[Greenday]

You mean like people have to EARN something? That's unAmerican.

[ExRetailDrone]

My husband was a graduate instructor for a year at a local university where we used to live, and he ran into problem students because of inane 'policies' like this. I read his syllabus, it really was not difficult to pass his classes. Show up, do your work, hand things in on time, you pass! I also didn't think his attendance policy was unreasonable. Even if you can't write particularly well (he's in the English department), you can still easily pass since it's frowned upon to concentrate on grammar when it comes to grading (another rant for another time). But that didn't stop students from not coming to class, turning things in late, not participating in discussions when they did show up, and then complaining because they were averaging a D or lower. Kids need to stop being rewarded in high school for doing nothing because it shows them that there are no consequences for their actions, and then they hit the 'real world' and complain like mad because 'it's so haaaaard'.

[AdminAssistant]

And then when those problem students get to college, grad instructors and non-tenured faculty are afraid to be too harsh, since merit raises and tenure are based partially off student evaluations.

[KitterCat]

Kids need to stop being rewarded in high school for doing nothing because it shows them that there are no consequences for their actions, and then they hit the 'real world' and complain like mad because 'it's so haaaaard'.

You know what’s worse? They get a job minimum wage job where the bosses don’t care to actually make them work so that they can text message all day or talk. So then their still able to sponge off their job, and government aid. I really worry about my generation at times. Large parts of it seem to think its ok to keep sucking off the work of other’s without any repercussions.