Petite passenger booted from Southwest flight

[smileyeagle1021]

If HFCS or preservatives in meat make you fat then buy meat that doesn't have them, or if you can't then buy less meat. I will make hamburger helper with half the amount of meat recomended. It saves money and the amount of meat in my diet.

And thus you prove your complete lack of understanding of nutrition.
As per the nutritional information on the cheesy italian shells (one of the healthy ones if memory serves). The box contains (before adding hamburger):
600 calories
2.5 grams of fat
3850mg of sodium
550mg Potassium
120g total carbohydrates
of which only 5g are dietary fiber
and an entire 25g are sugar.
20g of protein.

ingredients include enriched pasta (which is the nice way of saying additives and preservatives are being used), enriched flour (which of course once again means additives and preservatives), partially hydrogenated oils, a lot of things I cannot pronounce (which typically means that they are additives or preservatives)... oh and just for fun, there is silicon dioxide.
Somehow I don't think putting in half the hamburger is going to make that big of a difference when preparing hamburger helper.

[crashhelmet]

600 calories

Way too high for one part of a single meal.

2.5 grams of fat

Not bad, actually. Subway sandwiches have more fat.

3850mg of sodium

That is approximately 2 and a half times the recommended daily limit. You'd need to drink about a gallon and a half of water to pee all that salt out.

550mg Potassium

I honestly don't know if that is good or bad. Potassium is one of those flip flopped items.

120g total carbohydrates
of which only 5g are dietary fiber
and an entire 25g are sugar.

That's roughly three times the amount of carbs found in a 12oz can of Mt Dew, although less sugar, I believe.

20g of protein.

That's about a fifth of what your daily protein intake should be. Approximately equal to a 4oz salmon or chicken filet.

As I said, my old roommate's ex-wife would eat 2 entire boxes of this herself and still blame her "thyroid condition" for her obesity.

CH

[Hobbs]

ingredients include enriched pasta (which is the nice way of saying additives and preservatives are being used), enriched flour (which of course once again means additives and preservatives), partially hydrogenated oils, a lot of things I cannot pronounce (which typically means that they are additives or preservatives)... oh and just for fun, there is silicon dioxide.

None of these would contribute to the gaining or losing of weight. It makes me so mad when people go "eew, preservatives!" and "omg, I can't eat all those additives!" Like the P&T show illustrated, these things are, for the most part, good for the human population. Without such additives, food yields would be far less than they are now.

[Fashion Lad!]

I'm sure we can pretty much agree that Red Panda generalizes that fat people are fat because they eat too much and move too little.

But, to all the people defending that it could be a a medical condition are making the unlikeliest defense. More than likely this kid ate too much and moved too little. I'm not saying that it's right to say, "they were lazy and blah blah blah..." I'm not going to call anyone out on their weight until I get to know them. But statistically, they were eating too much and moving too little.

Due to a lot of exercise and not eating out, I can safely say I am not overweight. I'm at the high end of my healthy BMI, but that's largely due to my muscle mass (medically tested when I was signing up for a life insurance policy and was very close to the "overweight" category). I wonder who else can say the same.

[Kimmik]

Due to a lot of exercise and not eating out, I can safely say I am not overweight. I'm at the high end of my healthy BMI, but that's largely due to my muscle mass (medically tested when I was signing up for a life insurance policy and was very close to the "overweight" category). I wonder who else can say the same.

I am overweight, but my bp and blood work is stellar.. ok my vitamin D blows big green chunks, but I have been told that is a common thing in Michigan. I currently weigh 285-290, since my teen years I have weighed 250ish. I have been pregnant the last 2 years minus 3 months. Since December do to health problems and having my daughter I have not been able to get out much. I have recently been diagnosed with FM which makes me feel a ton better to have a name for it other then thinking I was bonkers.

Now I also have had PCOS my whole life, body acts sorta diabetic which is why they give me glucophage to help try and make my body behave. Now before all the child drama and almost dieing and more child drama.. I was a steady 250. It didnt matter what I tried, I could not drop much below 250. I grew up with tons of veggies and very little processed stuff. I wear a 22/24 because I have huge hips... as my grandmother would say I am built like a brick shit house and have birthing hips. Pants that fit my hips dont fit my waist and lets not even go into tops..

I fit into a normal office chair just fine, how ever I do not fit comfy in airline seats.. so I take the train. Before my health deteriorated i fenced, squatted 250, got into wrestling matches with the boys, hiked, camped and did a lot of things that I cant now. I eat almost exclusively food that I make from scratch if I eat much at all. Some of my meds make eating a chore. I dont eat much prepared food as I have the Joy and Privilege of being allergic to most food preservatives.

[smileyeagle1021]

But, to all the people defending that it could be a a medical condition are making the unlikeliest defense. More than likely this kid ate too much and moved too little. I'm not saying that it's right to say, "they were lazy and blah blah blah..." I'm not going to call anyone out on their weight until I get to know them. But statistically, they were eating too much and moving too little.

something to point out on that, is that even most of the eat too much and move too little aren't the lazy slobs that Red Panda catagorizes them as. Most of them (at least from personal experience) have slowly built up over years and years and by the time they realized how much a pound or two here and there added up to it was to the point where they were already beyond helping it short of drastic measures... and not everyone has the will power to do those drastic measures.
Not saying that it isn't their fault, but just attacking them as lazy slobs who can't put down the twinkie really isn't a fair judgement either.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Plus, there are eating disorders that make people heavy, like binge eating and compulsive eating disorder, where food is used as a drug. It's kind of like the opposite of anorexia. Having struggled with compulsive eating disorder, I can honestly say that it's not just being greedy or being unable to put down the burger; it's an emotional problem that can't be overcome easily. I managed to, and was able to come down to a reasonable weight. True, I'm still big hipped and big busted, so am not thin by any stretch of the imagination, but that's just down to the warped view of what is considered "healthy" nowadays. Not all skinny people are healthy; not all big people are unhealthy.

[Red Panda]

And thus you prove your complete lack of understanding of nutrition.
As per the nutritional information on the cheesy italian shells (one of the healthy ones if memory serves). The box contains (before adding hamburger):
600 calories
2.5 grams of fat
3850mg of sodium
550mg Potassium
120g total carbohydrates
of which only 5g are dietary fiber
and an entire 25g are sugar.
20g of protein.

ingredients include enriched pasta (which is the nice way of saying additives and preservatives are being used), enriched flour (which of course once again means additives and preservatives), partially hydrogenated oils, a lot of things I cannot pronounce (which typically means that they are additives or preservatives)... oh and just for fun, there is silicon dioxide.
Somehow I don't think putting in half the hamburger is going to make that big of a difference when preparing hamburger helper.

Having the hamburger was a cost saving measure, and you can eat something like that over the course of several meals and be fine. Its when people eat a box of that for every meal that you get the problems.

Plus, there are eating disorders that make people heavy, like binge eating and compulsive eating disorder, where food is used as a drug. It's kind of like the opposite of anorexia. Having struggled with compulsive eating disorder, I can honestly say that it's not just being greedy or being unable to put down the burger; it's an emotional problem that can't be overcome easily. I managed to, and was able to come down to a reasonable weight. True, I'm still big hipped and big busted, so am not thin by any stretch of the imagination, but that's just down to the warped view of what is considered "healthy" nowadays. Not all skinny people are healthy; not all big people are unhealthy.

Eating dirsorders are a small amount of fat people, and I doubt anybody in the 350+ range is healthy aside from athletes maybe but even not all of them are that big

[Hobbs]

I just realized...the nutritional information is for a package of Hamburger Helper, right? Those boxes are meant to feed a family of four-five for mine. So wouldn't you have to do some division to find a single course serving?

[Plaidman]

I just realized...the nutritional information is for a package of Hamburger Helper, right? Those boxes are meant to feed a family of four-five for mine. So wouldn't you have to do some division to find a single course serving?

Yeah. That nutritinal is five-six servings since it's meant for five-six people.

BUT if one person eats it all, that means they get the full amount if they eat the full amount. (Which means you'll multiply, not divide), seeing as it's PER serving.

[HYHYBT]

Do you? I thought Smiley said that was for the entire box, not per serving. So, neither multiplying nor dividing, if you eat the whole thing.

A direct question for Red Panda, if that's all right: it seems that the weight of complete strangers offends you. Why is that? What difference does it make to you whether someone is fat or not?

[Red Panda]

For one thin the site and smell of the obese is by itself offensive to the sences.

Also fat people demand to be treated like they have a disability when they control if they are fat or not. They want all kinds of special treatment like extra airplane seats, motoized carts, use of handicap spaces and stalls, and specially sized clothes but they aren't themselves negating their need for these things by taking proper care of themselves.

Thirdly the super fat are a reason we don't have socialized medicine in America. They would strain the system too much. We'll likely get stuck with taxes on junk food because people can't help but drink a 12 pack of coke in one day while eating 3 bags of chips. I like those but can control myself yet will have to pay for fat people's hunger. The fat have already gotten trans fat banned in places and made fast food resturaunts replace good food with food that tastes worse but is healthier.

I suffer because people are fat.

[crashhelmet]

Do you? I thought Smiley said that was for the entire box, not per serving. So, neither multiplying nor dividing, if you eat the whole thing.

Smiley would've had to do the multiplication then, as nutritional guidelines always list individual serving measurements and then list how many servings are in the package.

CH

[Akasa]

Red panda has been repeatedly told that there are people who can not control their weight, because of thyroid issues, that there are several of those people on this site, and yet Red Panda goes and spews

they control if they are fat or not.

Red Panda offends me.

[Nyoibo]

Thirdly the super fat are a reason we don't have socialized medicine in America. They would strain the system too much. We'll likely get stuck with taxes on junk food because people can't help but drink a 12 pack of coke in one day while eating 3 bags of chips. I like those but can control myself yet will have to pay for fat people's hunger. The fat have already gotten trans fat banned in places and made fast food resturaunts replace good food with food that tastes worse but is healthier.

I suffer because people are fat.

Bullshit, bullshit and... bullshit.

We have socialised medicine in Australia, want to know something, we're a more obese country than the US (on, not something to be proud about) the reason the US doesn't have socialised medicine is because of people liek you who are only concerned with themselves and how everything affects them, not other around them.

You say fat people are apparently incapable of stopping eating but you can control yourself, yet fat people seem to be able to control the amount of uninformed hateful bile they write but you are apparently incapable, stones, glass houses, pots and kettles.

No, you suffer because it's everyone elses fault but your own that you percieve things to suck.


I'm going to go sit in the corner now...