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[the_std]

The exception doesn't make the rule.

Neither does your blind prejudice.

[KabeRinnaul]

The exception doesn't make the rule. If the only people who weighed that much did so because they are built like a giant there wouldn't be an issue of fat people wanting the world haned to them on a cake

Why would anyone want the world on a cake? The cake would be crushed and ruined.

Besides.
Person A says "all are like this."
Person B says "one is demonstratably not like this."
Person A's argument is disproven.

[HYHYBT]

For one thin the site and smell of the obese is by itself offensive to the senses.

Again, WHY does other people's weight (not their purported behavior, but the fatness itself) offend you? It's plainly not just because you're thin, as many thin people do not take the same view.

Also fat people demand to be treated like they have a disability when they control if they are fat or not. They want all kinds of special treatment like extra airplane seats, motoized carts, use of handicap spaces and stalls, and specially sized clothes but they aren't themselves negating their need for these things by taking proper care of themselves.

Perhaps some do. Many people claim disabilities they don't have and so forth. But that's not the same thing. And just because you see a fat person using motorized carts and handicapped spaces doesn't mean they're necessarily claiming it just for being fat. It's generally a legitimate disability, even if it's one that they would not have developed, or would have developed later in life, had they been thinner. Heart conditions, bad joints, etc are legitimate reasons to have a handicapped tag or to use a scooter regardless of how you came to have them, and I guarantee the person with such problems would gladly trade the closer space or the cart for the ability to do that much walking without them. Also, not only does extra weight cause that sort of condition, but having one of those conditions for any other reason tends to make you gain weight because you no longer get exercise just from going about normal daily activities and cannot do most forms of exercise.

First, smell is related to hygiene, not weight, the two are in no way related.

Well, to be completely fair, weight can exacerbate smell. I'm very well insulated, and therefore sweat much more than I would otherwise. But I also put on extra deodorant if I'm going to be outside in warm weather for any length of time, limit how long I'm out there, and bathe as soon afterwards as possible.

Alot of fat people also drink, or tan, or get pregnant (eww)

Now what? You have something against pregnancy too?

I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, but these posts have a very familiar ring to them. Is it possible that El Sporko realized he was headed for banning and set up another account/identity slightly ahead of time?

[blas87]

Nah, I doubt that it's Sporko or even good old Flyn.

The mod team was able to figure out that a banned member snuck back in during the last big hack, therefore, if it was the same IP (or even easier, posting style) we'd know.

Panda is her own person, no one from the past.

[Plaidman]

I'm curious as to who she is at CS. My guess was ilmnd myself.

[Cassandra]

I think we are overfeeding the troll. She's going to get fat then hate herself....

[Fashion Lad!]

Now I also have had PCOS my whole life, body acts sorta diabetic which is why they give me glucophage to help try and make my body behave. Now before all the child drama and almost dieing and more child drama.. I was a steady 250. It didnt matter what I tried, I could not drop much below 250. I grew up with tons of veggies and very little processed stuff. I wear a 22/24 because I have huge hips... as my grandmother would say I am built like a brick shit house and have birthing hips. Pants that fit my hips dont fit my waist and lets not even go into tops..

I'm sorry you have to go through that. I never said that everyone who is overweight only has themselves to blame. I just said the majority do.

something to point out on that, is that even most of the eat too much and move too little aren't the lazy slobs that Red Panda catagorizes them as. Most of them (at least from personal experience) have slowly built up over years and years and by the time they realized how much a pound or two here and there added up to it was to the point where they were already beyond helping it short of drastic measures... and not everyone has the will power to do those drastic measures.
Not saying that it isn't their fault, but just attacking them as lazy slobs who can't put down the twinkie really isn't a fair judgement either.

Agreed. But a lot (not all) of times when people move too little it's out of laziness. But, I'm not going to call them slobs.

[ExiledV20]

You say fat people aren't to blame for being fat and then name off a bunch of things they can control.

No, I don't say that at all. You need to stop putting words into my mouth, stop interpreting what I say, and starting reading EXACTLY what I'm saying. I'm saying that your attempt to paint all 'fat' people is pathetic and not based in logic/reason. It's based on pure personal opinion and that's it.

If big portioned fast food are making you fat don't wave your hands in the air crying "What can I do" while making your fifth trip to Arby's that week, stop eating so much fast food.

Never seen that happen.

If HFCS or preservatives in meat make you fat then buy meat that doesn't have them, or if you can't then buy less meat.

Buying or consuming less meat won't work at all. The preservatives will have the effect regardless of the amount consumed. Your only option in such a case is not to eat meat at all.

As for "grocery deserts" thats pretty laughable. How could somebody help but be fat with the existance of desert.

Absence of grocery stores plague South Side
Lack of grocery options leads to higher obesity rates in South, East LA
Supermarket Shutterings Leave Food Deserts
Growing Groceries in Food Deserts

Education; get you some. There have been several scientific studies on how grocery deserts contribute to the obesity problem, which you seem to have missed. Enjoy the links.

My problem with fat people is that they are the most self entitled people around. They want all kinds of exceptions and special treatment for a condition that they have full control over.

Flag on the play!
Using a normative statement as a declarative statement (ie, using an opinion as THIS R FACT without substantive evidence)!
Citation needed! Please give me a scientific or government study that supports your position!

Fast food is not cheaper then making food because you can make enough food for more then one meal. Premade foods aren't cheaper for the same reason. I can pay four dollars for a frozen meal or pay eight dollars for ingrediants and make five meals. Its only when the cost arguemtn and not knowing how to cook are combined that there is only the slightest bit of an excuse and even then the person simply needs to learn how to cook. So it stil lcomes down to a controlable factor.

Oh look, another flag on the play!
Assumption of privilege!
And what happens when you don't HAVE the eight dollars to spend on ingredients?
What happens when the only grocery store in a 25 mile radius ( and you without transportation) only carries molding and wilting fresh produce and rotten meat? (Which, by the way, are most ghettos.)
And do you realize that knowledge of how to cook is limited primarily to the white middle-to-upper class who have the leisure time to engage in the activity?

[Red Panda]

Again, WHY does other people's weight (not their purported behavior, but the fatness itself) offend you? It's plainly not just because you're thin, as many thin people do not take the same view.

Fat people are gross. Most people are too scared of offending someone to admit how they feel, but just take a look at porn or the media. How many fat people are considered attractive outside of fetish porn? None

Perhaps some do. Many people claim disabilities they don't have and so forth. But that's not the same thing. And just because you see a fat person using motorized carts and handicapped spaces doesn't mean they're necessarily claiming it just for being fat. It's generally a legitimate disability, even if it's one that they would not have developed, or would have developed later in life, had they been thinner. Heart conditions, bad joints, etc are legitimate reasons to have a handicapped tag or to use a scooter regardless of how you came to have them, and I guarantee the person with such problems would gladly trade the closer space or the cart for the ability to do that much walking without them. Also, not only does extra weight cause that sort of condition, but having one of those conditions for any other reason tends to make you gain weight because you no longer get exercise just from going about normal daily activities and cannot do most forms of exercise.

Even if they do have an non fat disability if it was caused by their fatness they are still to blame for it and still expect people to give them help they wouldn't need if they had more self control

Now what? You have something against pregnancy too?

Nothing against pregancy, just the idea of fat people having sex.

No, I don't say that at all. You need to stop putting words into my mouth, stop interpreting what I say, and starting reading EXACTLY what I'm saying. I'm saying that your attempt to paint all 'fat' people is pathetic and not based in logic/reason. It's based on pure personal opinion and that's it.

In your post you mentioned things people have complete control over, like what they eat and buy, and said they can't help it. The thing is people can help what they eat and buy. Its very easy to control that.

Buying or consuming less meat won't work at all. The preservatives will have the effect regardless of the amount consumed. Your only option in such a case is not to eat meat at all.

So a person who eats a pound of meat a week will gain the same amount of weight as someone who eats 40 pounds of meat? Sounds like something somebody came up with as an excuse for being fat. "I can't help it, meat has preservatives in it and it has nothing to do with the fact I ate 20 hamburgers."

Education; get you some. There have been several scientific studies on how grocery deserts contribute to the obesity problem, which you seem to have missed. Enjoy the links.

I misread your post. I will concede that this is an issue. I will point out that with enough excersize or careful shopping it can be negated.

Oh look, another flag on the play!
Assumption of privilege!
And what happens when you don't HAVE the eight dollars to spend on ingredients?

Then spend two bucks on a box of rice and 2 bucks on a pack of American cheese. Cheesy rice is pretty awesome, easy, and won't make you fat.

It would actually be irresponcible to buy fast food if you have that little money.

What happens when the only grocery store in a 25 mile radius ( and you without transportation) only carries molding and wilting fresh produce and rotten meat? (Which, by the way, are most ghettos.)
And do you realize that knowledge of how to cook is limited primarily to the white middle-to-upper class who have the leisure time to engage in the activity?

Cooking can often times to limited to the simple task of boiling water and heating things up. Take some noodle, tomato sauce, and corn and bam you got an easy meal that takes little time to make. The trouble is most people don't even try.

As for the trouble with grocery stores, this is a hard one but food buying clubs exist that would eleviate the problem as does online shopping and delivery services. Even if you can't utilize any of those simply limiting your food is enough to not become morbidly obese.

[Kheldarson]

Fat people are gross. Most people are too scared of offending someone to admit how they feel, but just take a look at porn or the media. How many fat people are considered attractive outside of fetish porn? None

Hey! My fiance's overweight and I still find him attractive! And it's not because of some fetish; I enjoy him as a person.

Just because the media says that we should find overweight to fat people abhorrent and skinny people beautiful doesn't mean that you have a fetish to find person attractive despite what the "norm" is supposed to be now.

Besides, I enter this for your educational edification: Why is Mona Lisa a large woman then? Could it be because in her day, she was considered the height of fashion because she could afford to be slightly plump?

Or how about this? Not knowing gender, throw out a couple: Are you more interested in guys with chest hair or guys without? Girls with larger chests or smaller? Both images are ones cultivated by the media to get us to buy more of the goods that support them.

[KnitShoni]

Fat people are gross. Most people are too scared of offending someone to admit how they feel, but just take a look at porn or the media. How many fat people are considered attractive outside of fetish porn? None

Wow. You really went there, didn't you? Are you really basing the attractiveness of fat people on porn? I think you should amend this statement to say YOU think fat people are gross. I personally have met equally gross people of all sizes and shapes. Just because you've never met a fat person you liked doesn't mean we all feel the same. That has nothing to do with not wanting to not offend.

Even if they do have an non fat disability if it was caused by their fatness they are still to blame for it and still expect people to give them help they wouldn't need if they had more self control

Wouldn't a "non-fat" disability mean it couldn't be caused by their "fatness?" It may have happened sooner due to weight, but that doesn't mean weight caused it.

Nothing against pregancy, just the idea of fat people having sex.

Pregnancy can make people fat. Are they supposed to stop having sex?

[Red Panda]

Hey! My fiance's overweight and I still find him attractive! And it's not because of some fetish; I enjoy him as a person.

Just because the media says that we should find overweight to fat people abhorrent and skinny people beautiful doesn't mean that you have a fetish to find person attractive despite what the "norm" is supposed to be now.

Besides, I enter this for your educational edification: Why is Mona Lisa a large woman then? Could it be because in her day, she was considered the height of fashion because she could afford to be slightly plump?

Or how about this? Not knowing gender, throw out a couple: Are you more interested in guys with chest hair or guys without? Girls with larger chests or smaller? Both images are ones cultivated by the media to get us to buy more of the goods that support them.

The Mona Lisa doesn't way over three hundred pounds. If you can find a picture of an attractive fat person male or female then I will agree that fat people can be attractive. However, you cannot find them because such a picture is not real.

Wow. You really went there, didn't you? Are you really basing the attractiveness of fat people on porn? I think you should amend this statement to say YOU think fat people are gross. I personally have met equally gross people of all sizes and shapes. Just because you've never met a fat person you liked doesn't mean we all feel the same. That has nothing to do with not wanting to not offend.

Just because people of all sizes can be gross it doesn't mean fat people aren't gross

Pregnancy can make people fat. Are they supposed to stop having sex?

If a pregancy makes a person gain 300 pounds then they must be giving birth to a litter.

[blas87]

I'm not defending Panda's view on large people, but just wanted to point out that pregnant women are not supposed to gain tons of weight just because they are pregnant, nor will gaining tons of weight give them a healthier baby. You should not actually be eating double or more because you are pregnant. I just watched a segment on the news today saying research is showing women who gain 50+ pounds while pregnant are more apt to have overweight babies and children, possibly overweight kids for life.

[Kheldarson]

I submit Painter Peter Paul Reubens. A Flemish painter from the Renaissance period. Very few of his nudes are skinny and many look like they're getting towards the 300 lb range.

http://images.google.com/images?svnu...w=1024&bih=560

So, if that's not an indication of a different standard of beauty than from today, I think you need to study some more history.

As for current: Have an example

[blas87]

Call me ignorant and uneducated, but I didn't think anyone was that overweight years ago.

I've read that King Henry VIII did get quite large as he got older and very out of shape, but I thought people of importance back then were plump, not obese, and that it was ideal just to be a little heavy.