Blind Couple gets child back

[ExRetailDrone]

One other thing, where did it say the nurse was a lactation nurse? I only see that she was a nurse in the article.

I posted a link to another article in one of my posts, and that article stated that the nurse was a lactation nurse.

[Nyoibo]

Ah, must've missed it.

[KnitShoni]

You're right, it doesn't actually say the nurse was a lactation nurse. However, if he/she wasn't, why wasn't one called in when the mother expressed the desire to breastfeed?

[Red Panda]

If she only made an observation then it wouldn't have been such a problem, she however made an arbitrary conclusion based upon one observation.



There is no way she can back up a single one of those claims from the observation of the mother having trouble breastfeeding for the first time, she made a conclusion and stated it as it were known fact. It would be as if I see someone bump their shin and make the conclusion that "This person hassub-standard motor control no observational awareness and is a danger to themselves and all around them"

And no, she has no qualification to make any of those claims, the only claim her expertiese allows her to make is "Mother appears to need assistance or training to facilitate breastfeeding"

One other thing, where did it say the nurse was a lactation nurse? I only see that she was a nurse in the article.

The mother almost sufficated the child. A sighted mother would notice her baby turning blue much sooner.

[MaggieTheCat]

The mother almost sufficated the child. A sighted mother would notice her baby turning blue much sooner.

Which is why the nurse should have helped the mother the first few times she breastfed! Or what, should blind mothers never have children?

[Red Panda]

Saying the nurse should have helped doesn't make the observation any more wrong. They weren't trained and the baby was in danger. Proposing they should have been trained is a solution but still would have been after the observation had been noted.

[fireheart17]

Which is why the nurse should have helped the mother the first few times she breastfed! Or what, should blind mothers never have children?

I'm guessing that'd extend to deaf parents as well-they may be able to notice bubs turning blue, but they wouldn't be able to hear their baby cry to know if something's needed.

Or what about obese mothers?

Saying the nurse should have helped doesn't make the observation any more wrong. They weren't trained and the baby was in danger. Proposing they should have been trained is a solution but still would have been after the observation had been noted.

If you mean the nurse should've been trained, then fine I'll leave it to rest. The situation from my POV was a violation of duty of care and that was that.

If you mean the MOTHER should've been trained however, how do you propose that a blind woman is trained in breastfeeding? Should all mothers be trained in breastfeeding before they give birth? And for that matter, how would you train anyone in breastfeeding? A baby doll does not suffice for demonstrating how to properly latch on an infant, or what to look and listen for while the baby is nursing.

[Red Panda]

So if there is no expectation of a blind mother to be trained then why would noting the blind mother's lack of training even be an issue if she wasn't a danger which she was.

[KnitShoni]

It's not that there is no expectation of a blind mother being trained. It's that there is NO WAY to fully train someone to breastfeed before the birth. There are issues that can and do crop up for many mothers when they are learning. The reason people have issues with the nurse's observation is the action she took upon making it. She jumped to the conclusion that because the mother was blind and having trouble breastfeeding, she was a danger to her child. Her course of action SHOULD have included teaching the mother how to feed her child, which is what she was paid to do.

[Red Panda]

People keep saying that without knowing what training the nurse provided or even if the nurse was trained to teach the blind how to breastfeed.

[KnitShoni]

What sort of specialized training would the nurse have needed to teach a blind mother as opposed to a sighted one? I don't know everything there is to know about breastfeeding, but I know enough about it to know it's not an activity for which sight is a requirement.

[Red Panda]

Since the blind mother almost sufficated the baby and didn't know it because she couldn't see I must disagree with your statement

[KnitShoni]

Actually, she did, which is why she moved the baby. And since there are cases of mothers with sight whose children have suffocated while breastfeeding (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...tfeed-him.html , for one), I fail to see why you keep insisting this wouldn't have happened if only she could see.

[Red Panda]

Just because sighted people make major mistakes it doesn't give blind people a free pass.

[Plaidman]

Just because sighted people make major mistakes it doesn't give blind people a free pass.

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So... people with sight are allowed to make all the mistakes they want, yet if a blind person makes a single mistake they lose their child forever??