Blind Couple gets child back

[Red Panda]

Let me check. No, people with sight also get invesicated for child endengerment. They just don't get to do anything while all the focus is on the blind.

[Plaidman]

Just repeating what you say that sighted people can make mistakes, blind don't get a pass.

[Red Panda]

So you are in agreement that if there is a serious danger it should be investigated no matter what the physical condition of the parent, correct?

[Plaidman]

Depends on the danger. She made a mistake with a newborn, and corrected it. That's it.
She shouldn't lose their child because of one mistake.

Should a child be expelled from school permentally, because they got one question wrong?

Should a cook be fired and never be allowed to cook again if they forgot to add salt to a meal?

Yeah, the above are nothing compared to what happen, but all people make mistakes, even new parents.

You don't automatically know how to ride a bike, you fall and get scraped alot until you learn how. It's the same with breastfeeding. Practice will make her get better. Training will allow her to know about baby not doing it right. She doesn't deserve to lose her child over this ONE incident.

Just because people are disabled red Panda, doesn't mean they are not equals.

I really hope one day you'll understand that. Maybe you'll become disabled and realized that your still human in the end.

[Kheldarson]

Just because sighted people make major mistakes it doesn't give blind people a free pass.

Wait, what?

So...just because I can see gives me a greater amount of freedom? Never mind that once you figure out the routine, you can breastfeed half-asleep? (haven't done this yet, watched mom with two younger brothers)

I'd say that the blind mother has more of an advantage because it'll be easier for her to interpret her baby's cries. Having a heightened sense of hearing and all.

The nurse should've helped with the initial breastfeeding so the new mother could feel what was right. As it was, the new mother felt that something was wrong and was attempting to correct it. The judgment of the nurse was blinded by her own prejudice, apparently.

[Red Panda]

Except the nurse wasn't the one to take the child away for investigation. It was social services, so either there was a legit claim observed by the nurse or the enitre agency is corrupt and tries to undermind the blind at every turn.

[blas87]

No, but the nurse's notes and recommendation helped get the ball rolling.

It'd be similar to someone over-reacting and calling CPS on a parent doing nothing wrong and having their child taken. CPS literally comes and takes the child, but someone got the ball rolling.

[Plaidman]

No, but the nurse's notes and recommendation helped get the ball rolling.

It'd be similar to someone over-reacting and calling CPS on a parent doing nothing wrong and having their child taken. CPS literally comes and takes the child, but someone got the ball rolling.

Such as seeing a parent letting one child play in a pool in the backyard, but not the other child. He didn't know that child was being punished for killing the family cat by not playing in the pool with the other kids.

But he stilll will call stating that the parent is being rough on the kid, punishing him for no reason, making him watch his brother play in the pool, and right now he is being spanked! HARD! EXCESSIVY HARSH!

(Seeing as spanking is legal, as long as it isn't excessive, IE Break skin or bones).

So then CPS comes and takes both kids away.

[Red Panda]

CPS won't just take the kids away unless their is an immediate danger. It would have to something along the lines of "He is spanking the child in the face with a closed fist while holding him in the pool." The nurse got the ball rolling, as she should if she felt there was a problem. She is trained and was there for the breast feeding sessions so she knows better then you do. The trouble for her is these people are a minority and when a member of the majority does something like this to a minority bleeding hearts always assume its because of bigotry.

[KnitShoni]

CPS won't just take the kids away unless their is an immediate danger. It would have to something along the lines of "He is spanking the child in the face with a closed fist while holding him in the pool." The nurse got the ball rolling, as she should if she felt there was a problem. She is trained and was there for the breast feeding sessions so she knows better then you do. The trouble for her is these people are a minority and when a member of the majority does something like this to a minority bleeding hearts always assume its because of bigotry.

You've obviously never had to deal with CPS.

[Plaidman]

You've obviously never had to deal with CPS.

Ditto.

My friend and his sister were taking away from their mother because she smoked pot. She was the kindest person I knew, always worked hard for her kids. I spent alot of nights there, as there was far more love there then my house ever was. They were forced to live with their grandma, who would punish them by beating them with a stick and making them put hands on a fire hot stove burners. They complained, but weren't taking out because they were told they are just lying to attempt to get back with mom.

As for the blind women and the nurse....
I'm VERY curious if she ever wrote that to any person that could see that did the exact same thing that blind women did. Likely zero.

[KabeRinnaul]

CPS won't just take the kids away unless their is an immediate danger.

It's more along the lines of "Take the kids away immediately so we can be sure they're not hurt before we finish investigating. Then investigate to make sure it's okay to give them back."

"Innocent until proven guilty" is given a back seat to "for the children".

[Red Panda]

Except thats not how it works. The innocent kids being taken away cases are far fewer then the kids are abused and keep being abused while the investigation goes on and then later get returned to the home and abused some more.

[KnitShoni]

Except thats not how it works. The innocent kids being taken away cases are far fewer then the kids are abused and keep being abused while the investigation goes on and then later get returned to the home and abused some more.

This is somewhat true. However, there are a lot of cases of overzealous workers taking children after either not doing a full investigation or not doing one at all. There are also a lot of cases where children end up dead because they didn't do a full investigation or didn't do one at all.

I think because of what I've seen, heard, and experienced dealing with CPS, I don't understand why they took this baby following an observation by a nurse who could have corrected the situation right then and there. And, what changed in the two months the child was away from her family that CPS thought it was OK to give her back, if the parents' blindness was such an issue? I don't remember reading that anywhere.

[Red Panda]

The nurse was there for several sessions so it was an ongoing problem