Peta

[DesignFox]

Off Topic! (Why do we not have that smiley here?)
Bunnies living free, as Nature intended.

http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff200/fv00195.htm

:chuckles: that's pretty good Sylvia.

[tropicsgoddess]

I've not seen PETA doing very much good in the world... If I've got the money to spare, I'll keep donating it to other organizations that have less of a negative track record...

Although, indirectly, I suppose PETA DOES help animals...after all, with all the bad things THEY get press for, that many more people are forced to pay attention to the issues...and do something about them... It isn't the way things should happen...but I guess it works... Kind of like a 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum.

I oppose fur coats, I love animals, yet I'm not a vegan and I own a pet (a dog). What bothers me is an organization like PETA that is supposed to be about the love and ethical treatment of animals can spew out so much venom to the public. Throwing red paint on those who wear fur coats,pushing the public on being a vegan instead of putting more focus to the cause itself.

[SportinGoods]

OT: I think I now have the topic for my term paper, thank you three am fratching rants.

[DesignFox]

...Throwing red paint on those who wear fur coats,pushing the public on being a vegan instead of putting more focus to the cause itself.

Which is funny, because they encourage people to DONATE their furs to the less fortunate...so...what? You donate that fur coat, pledge to go fur free...some homeless guy gets to stay warm for the winter...until PETA finds him wearing the coat you donated and throws paint on him?!

Oh...on their Fur is Dead site they give homeless people a "get out of jail free" card on that one.

[Seshat]

I oppose fur coats

I once knew a costumer who used fur in her designs. She purchased second-hand fur coats and other fur items, and used the fur from them.

I also have a belief: if you're going to kill an animal, USE the animal and be thankful for it. Don't kill it for sport, don't kill it for one piece and discard the rest. USE it.

And vegan doesn't make ecological sense in agriculturally marginal land. If the most appropriate crop on the land is pasture-suitable grass, trying to grow anything else is just going to wreck the land. Grow the grass and feed animals, then eat the animals, or their eggs/milk/whatever.

So I eat meat, wear leather, and use gelatin at times. I'll eat some organ meats, and I'll feed my pets meat, organ meats, hide chews, and appropriate (raw!) bones. I have a feather-and-down quilt on my bed. When my veggie patch really gets going, I'll use animal-derived fertilizers as well as plant-derived composts. And I almost certainly use animal-derived substances I'm unaware of.

But I buy RSPCA-approved animal products whenever possible. (RSPCA: Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.)

[Irving Patrick Freleigh]

While it is perfectly noble to care about animals and want to see them treated humanely, I think PETA goes a little too far.

A personal example from around here: PETA wrote a letter to the Green Bay Packers, suggesting that they change their name because the team was named after a meat-packing plant that funded the first Packers team. They suggested "Six-Packers". Promoting massive over-consumption of alcohol is SO much better...

They also created the ad campaign "Milk sucks. Got beer?"

I'd much rather give my time and money to organizations like the local humane society, which looks to give stray and abandoned animals loving homes, or the WWF.

[Rubyred]

First I have to say that I am a vegetarian. Fully and completely. With that being said.. I also have to add that I don't not eat meat with the belief that animals should not be killed for human consumption..I just think that there has to be a better way to go about it. Humans are the most advanced species in the planet...I think that we can find a more humane way to kill our food. Oh..and I love cows.

I'm sort of torn on this subject because while I do support MOST of PETA's ideas in theory...I dislike Ingrid Newkirk and her supporters because the majority of them are ignorant, brainwashed fools who have set back the animal rights movement significantly.

This also seems to, sadly enough, be the case with alot of "animal rights" people that I encounter. The holier-than- thou attitude is seriously disconcerting and it's not helping anything.

A previous poster had a link to video of PETA supporters protesting in front of an animal shelter because "they kill dogs, cats, puppies and kittens" and in their blind following of their dictator they believe that picketing in front of said shelter is making some sort of difference. Instead, it just makes them look like fools.

I completely agree with PETA in that "companion animals" should not have to be euthanized, but how are they helping the situation any? PETA should be focusing on helping the shelter by trying to find foster homes for the animals before they are killed, educating people on why they should spay/nueter their pets and providing financial assistance to the shleter to prevent the need for euthanasia.

That was just an example..but what I;m trying to say (in not so many words this time) is that PETA has some decent points in theory...they just go about accomplishing their goals in the worst way possible. What they really need (and I think it would help tremendously) is a new leader. She's the main issue.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Unfortunately, PETA gets to lie in the bed it made. The moment it allowed any number of faked videos or other morally ambiguous things to be done under its name without bothering to do any damage control, it lost credibility.
If it wants to be taken seriously and actually get something done for the creatures it wishes to represent, it's going to have to clean up its act.

I can't really say better than this.

PETA has established itself as being of questionable reliabliltiy and ethics. Now they are suffering the fact that no one takes them seriously. People who honestly want to help the cause of animal suffering would do well to align themselves with more reputable organizations.

Personally, a person only has to lie to me once for me to not trust them. It may not be that what they say is a lie, or even that it sounds like a lie...it's that that person has established themselves as a liar and as such I cannot trust ANYTHING they do or say. It's the same thing.

[BlaqueKatt]

once again PETA is for animal rights, most people beleive in animal welfare-the two are not interchangable and usually mutually exclusive-

suitable definition of "rights"-Something that is due to a person or governmental body by law, tradition, or nature.

suitable definintion of welfare-"Health, happiness, and good fortune; well-being."

see the difference?

[Zyanya]

http://www.popgive.com/2008/03/since...-death-is.html


I may have just become a full-fledged PETA supporter

[Rapscallion]

Hardly. That's a sick act by a sick person, and something most people would decry regardless of animal welfare affiliations. PETA would be against this, but they're also against things many people find acceptable, such as eating meat or necessary medical experimentation.

On the experimentation thing, I don't see cosmetics as necessary, so sod animal testing for that. If I've got a currently uncurable disease, then sorry bunny, by my desire to live is greater than your evolution to survive.

Rapscallion

[RecoveringKinkoid]

I would argue that it was a lot of sick people who caused that dog's death.

How many people walked past and did nothing? Exactly all of them.

Joining PETA would do nothing. They've done as evil and worse. If you want to have this evil act produce something positive, then simply think of it whenever you are not moved to action when you should be.

Here's a link to a poem by my favorite poet, Mary Oliver. Don't read it if you are sensitive. I only read it once. Once was enough. It made my soul bleed.

http://www.eliteskills.com/analysis_...r_analysis.php

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Here's a link to an expose on PETA that ran on Penn and Teller's Bullshit. Penn Gillette has a mouth on him, so not work safe unless you have headphones. Bad language. But it's pretty shocking and eye-opening. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

[Seshat]

Support the RSPCA or the ASPCA or some other more ethical group, not necessarily PETA.

Support the World Wildlife Fund.

Support your local animal welfare police.

Support a local vet who does low-cost spay/neuter/treat in cooperation with an animal welfare charity.

Take a big bag of decent quality food to a local shelter. (Kill or no-kill is your choice, but until we get the problem dealt with at the breeding end, we'll need kill shelters.)

Spay/neuter your pet, and if you have a cat, keep it as an indoor cat or learn how to make a cat-proof fence.

Learn how to make your garden a haven for native fauna (though if you have a predator-species pet, be choosy about which fauna you encourage into the same space as your predator).

Learn about Kitty Genovese Syndrome (aka the Bystander Effect), and learn how to fight it in yourself and in others; so that you know you'll not be one who walks past such an incident.

Let your shock at the 'art installation' mean something - but learn about whichever group you choose to support, before you support them.

[anriana]

PETA does a lot of advertising with naked women. That's enough to turn me off from them. As a vegetarian, I absolutely hate them. They do so much stupid extremist crap they make the rest of us look bad.



That said, "People for Eating Tasty Animals" is such an annoying joke.