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  • Its another No Tolerance rule that schools love, this one has the added bonus of letting the schools receive funding due to attendance. From what I can tell No Tolerance Rules= No need to think. Just force people to follow the rules and if they don’t like it say that their arrogant asses who cant stand following any form of authority. After all in public schools what works for one person must work for everyone.

    If a child can make up the work, and pass the grade any way it shouldn’t matter if their out of school due to a parent taking them out for a vacation or due to medical reasons. So long as the child is able to cope and do the work. And if schools are trying to use this as a way to make sure that children are in-fact learning how come there’s so much evidence that they aren’t receiving an education. Look at the amount of basic classes colleges now have to have High Schoolers take before they can even start taking the required classes to get a degree.

    Medically I was out of school for 2 months straight due to an infection in 5th grade. After and before that 2 month period I was constantly seeing doctors at least once a week, sometimes more. I was still able to get the class work I needed and keep up. I still passed with high grades.

    One of my relatives had a lot of medical problems back in 2rd grade. She was never out for weeks on end but she did rack up enough time for it to start effecting her grades so her parents elected to have her held back a year. Different people can have different results.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homesch...#United_States
    "The National Center for Education Statistics of the United States Department of Education reports that In 2007, the number of home schooled students was about 1.5 million, an increase from 850,000 in 1999 and 1.1 million in 2003.[44] The percentage of the school-age population that was home schooled increased from 1.7 percent in 1999 to 2.9 percent in 2007. The increase in the percentage of home schooled students from 1999 to 2007 represents a 74 percent relative increase over the 8-year period and a 36 percent relative increase since 2003. In 2007, the majority of home schooled students received all of their education at home (84 percent), but some attended school up to 25 hours per week."

    “Estimates annual home schooling costs to be approximately $2,500 per child[49] Some studies suggest per-child spending of a lower amount, but virtually all studies suggest home-school expenditure per child is far less than per-student expenditure in public schools, which tends to average $9,000-$10,000 in the United States.”

    Looking at that its just about the money. The more kids a schools can say are on its books for as long as possible for as many days as possible the more money it gets. Personally I’d love if I could get a tax fund just for my children’s schools. I could then choose to take the money that’s allotted to them and use it on a private school, or a charter or tutors. Instead I’m going to have to pay for that out of my own pocket or home school.

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    • Originally posted by Rageaholic View Post
      No one is asking for the school to do anything for them.
      They are asking that the school make exception for them because of their own envisioned view of superiority. That is entitled.

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      • Originally posted by Hobbs View Post
        They are asking that the school make exception for them because of their own envisioned view of superiority. That is entitled.
        Who's view of superiority?
        Do not lead, for I may not follow. Do not follow, for I may not lead. Just go over there somewhere.

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        • Originally posted by KnitShoni View Post
          Who's view of superiority?
          Your own. "Oh look, my this and my that makes my family better, so we don't have to follow the rules the inferiors have to follow."

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          • Originally posted by Hobbs View Post
            Your own. "Oh look, my this and my that makes my family better, so we don't have to follow the rules the inferiors have to follow."
            When did I say that? Who was I calling inferior? How did you get that from what I typed?
            Do not lead, for I may not follow. Do not follow, for I may not lead. Just go over there somewhere.

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            • Originally posted by Hobbs View Post
              They are asking that the school make exception for them because of their own envisioned view of superiority. That is entitled.
              How about not having such a dumb rule in the first place? Or at the very least, change the number of "unexcused absenses" allowed, making it more lenient.

              Again, just because someone challenges a stupid rule doesn't make them entitled. I gave my own reasons why I think the rule is stupid so it's a lot more than "I don't like it, so I think they should change it".

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              • Originally posted by Greenday View Post
                ]I never said it was okay to disobey the rules.
                really? allow me to quote you:

                I've skipped school before with permission from my mom.
                permission from your mom or not, skipping school is still in violation of the school's attendance policy. the fact that you've admitted to breaking the rules yourself is at least a tacit approval of others doing it, if not an open one.

                Originally posted by KitterCat View Post
                Its another No Tolerance rule that schools love,
                it's hardly zero tolerance. zero tolerance would be one strike and you're out. this is more along the lines of "9 strikes and then there are consequences, but there's an appeal process you can go through if you feel this isn't fair." that's an awful lot of tolerance, and pretty lenient if you ask me.

                Originally posted by Rageaholic View Post
                How about not having such a dumb rule in the first place? Or at the very least, change the number of "unexcused absenses" allowed, making it more lenient.
                9 or more isn't lenient enough? 5% of the academic year? jeez, what would be a good enough number? 10%? 20%? i'd kill for a job where my boss allowed me to take 5% or more of the work days per year off, no questions asked, with no direct consequences, for no other reason than "i'd rather be someplace else," which is exactly what taking vacation is.

                Again, just because someone challenges a stupid rule doesn't make them entitled. I gave my own reasons why I think the rule is stupid so it's a lot more than "I don't like it, so I think they should change it".
                unless you are actively lobbying to change a rule you don't like, you aren't challenging it, you're just whining about it, which solves nothing. in the meantime, until such time as the rule is changed, it's applicable to everyone, including those who don't like it.

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                • Originally posted by linguist View Post
                  permission from your mom or not, skipping school is still in violation of the school's attendance policy. the fact that you've admitted to breaking the rules yourself is at least a tacit approval of others doing it, if not an open one.
                  And I accepted my punishment for it...an excused absence since I had a note from my mom. My school's rules were different and a lot more lenient. They had rules that make sense and fitting punishments. It did no harm to my education.
                  Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                  • Originally posted by Greenday View Post
                    And I accepted my punishment for it...an excused absence since I had a note from my mom. My school's rules were different and a lot more lenient. They had rules that make sense and fitting punishments. It did no harm to my education.
                    And how would the label of unexcused have harmed your education?

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                    • Originally posted by Hobbs View Post
                      And how would the label of unexcused have harmed your education?
                      How would an unexcused absence have hurt me? Oh, right, it wouldn't have.
                      Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                      • Originally posted by Greenday View Post
                        How would an unexcused absence have hurt me? Oh, right, it wouldn't have.
                        So, then the policy is fine. I'm glad that's settled.

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                        • Originally posted by AdminAssistant View Post
                          So, then the policy is fine. I'm glad that's settled.
                          The policy at MY school is fine. The policy at the school in question isn't.
                          Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                          • Originally posted by Greenday View Post
                            The policy at MY school is fine. The policy at the school in question isn't.
                            How is your school's policy lenient compared to the OP school? Did you not have a maximum allowance of absences?

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                            • Originally posted by linguist View Post

                              9 or more isn't lenient enough? 5% of the academic year? jeez, what would be a good enough number? 10%? 20%? i'd kill for a job where my boss allowed me to take 5% or more of the work days per year off, no questions asked, with no direct consequences, for no other reason than "i'd rather be someplace else," which is exactly what taking vacation is.
                              How about 15? Or even better, how about not having attendance affect a students grade? If it really affects their grade so much, it will show in the grades.

                              School is NOT a job, students are not getting paid to be there. Quite frankly, if someone would "rather be somewhere else", and they can still pass, what is the problem? As knitshoni said, there are quite a few goof off days where nothing gets done. What's the big deal with missing those days?

                              I'm not seeing any reasoning behind this aside from "those are the rules!".

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                              • Originally posted by Rageaholic View Post
                                How about 15? Or even better, how about not having attendance affect a students grade? If it really affects their grade so much, it will show in the grades.
                                15? jesus, 9 is excessive. 15 is ridiculous. there is no reason short of severe illness to miss 15 days of school in an academic year.

                                School is NOT a job, students are not getting paid to be there.
                                just because they aren't getting paid doesn't mean it's not a job. students are in school to prepare themselves to be productive members of society. if that isn't a job, i don't know what is.

                                I'm not seeing any reasoning behind this aside from "those are the rules!".
                                and i'm not seeing any reasoning from the other side other than "i don't like it so it shouldn't apply to me."

                                like i said before: if you don't like it, do something to change it. otherwise quite whining, suck it up, and deal with the fact that you aren't a special snowflake and the rules apply to you just as much as anyone else.

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