Teen mother arrested in death of her newborn

[Sage Blackthorn]

An article my wife forwarded to me:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=7512817

14- and 11-year-olds involved delivering a baby at home using YouTube as a reference..... I'm once again struck with the thought that there is something fundamentally wrong with life these days.

[LexiaFira]

that makes me want to cry. no one thought to call 911. yes i know its supposed to be a secret but at that point both mother and child are at risk cause she just lost alot of well...needed nutrients giving birth and the baby needed medical attention period so yeah....
so yeah lets go to youtube to figure it out (sarcasm)
did no one have any sense in this?

[crashhelmet]

Fear makes a lot of people do stupid things. I'm not trying to justify what they did, just explain why they probably did it. It actually sounds like they had the necessary help with the birthing process, they just didn't know what to do afterwards. You almost have to give them some credit for thinking of checking youtube for instructions. All in all, it's still sad.

CH

[suchislife2]

This is a truely sad story. The Mother, while 14 was still a kid, and hell the ones doing the delivery were 11. Sadly at that age you're still not always able to understand the conwsquesnses of what you are doing. I think the fact they at least did SOME research is good, but just didn't know what to do once somethine went wrong.

I'm sure in their heads the concept of calling 911 and somehow parents finding out and freaking out on them and then getting into strife over it scared them. Sadly this all meant that the little boy passed away. I personally think the kids need counceling and the mother shouldn't be imprissioned for this, it was stupid and a life was lost but it was not pre-meditated, just a sad end to stupidity.

On the other hand the adult who simply threw the baby out with the garbage! Now THEY should have known better. How bout taking the mother to the HOSPITAL and making sure she is mentally and physically ok? Not to mention the fact that they "disposed of the evedence" which could have contributed to the 14 year olds arrest as it makes her look guilty. You're an adult! Act like one!

Appologies for any rambling I'm tired

[Eisa]

^Yeah of all the people who should be charged, I think that mysterious adult tops the list. A 14-year-old and 2 11-year-olds--well, they should know better and they SHOULD have called 911. But they may have been too overwhelmed and panicky. And as silly as it sounds, I do think that checking youtube was a pretty good idea...it's just too bad it couldn't help with the aftermath. That poor little baby...

[Ree]

Abortion is legal.
Why didn't she just go get rid of the fetus before it became an actual baby?
I mean, you can legally kill the thing before it reaches the baby stage, when it then becomes horrendous and illegal to kill it.

She should have just gotten an abortion.
Seriously....

[LexiaFira]

i think that would have meant that she had to tell someone about it IE her parents who like parents would have freaked but yeah....i cried because of the little baby. And also agree that the adult that did that no matter how desensitizing it can be or numb one can get from that that's not how you...I can't even say it. I feel stupid about my first post before realizing that maybe the 14 year old was so scared of being punished (and 11 year olds) that this is why it happened.

[crashhelmet]

Maybe she's personally against abortion. I don't want to use the "she's just a kid" excuse, but she's just a kid. Her mind could have been anywhere but where it needed to be. There could've been fantasies of living the dream life with the baby's father, whomever he may be, or the sheer joy of expected motherhood. Maybe there was panic and anxiety over what she was going to do, tell her her parents, plans to run away, or give the baby up for adoption.

However this all turns out, all of those girls are going to need some sort therapy to get through it all.

CH

[Ree]

Maybe she's personally against abortion.

Actually, I'm personally against abortion.

I guess I wasn't sarcastic enough in my post.

It always amazes me when something like this happens with a newborn being killed by its mother, or dying in childbirth because the mother panics and doesn't get medical attention, and people start condemning the mother.

If the mother aborts, pro-choicers don't bat an eye at that decision.

So many young girls are getting pregnant because they want a baby. (You never hear them say they want a child, oddly enough.)

It never occurs to them that the baby has to come out and it's going to hurt...a lot!! (...especially if the mother is very young...)

Teen moms are considered high risk because their bodies are immature, and not really meant to bear a child at that age, even though there have been the physical changes of puberty going on.
There is a higher risk for miscarriage and prematurity.

Then there are young girls who think they have taken the right precautions, but then find themselves pregnant and in a panic.
It's very sad when a child feels they can't go to their parent about something like this.

It's a very sad story.

[Hobbs]

Actually, I'm personally against abortion.

I guess I wasn't sarcastic enough in my post.

It always amazes me when something like this happens with a newborn being killed by its mother, or dying in childbirth because the mother panics and doesn't get medical attention, and people start condemning the mother.

If the mother aborts, nobody bats an eye.

It's a very sad story.

I think it's very very bad that American society is so bad that abortion is never seen as a viable option (most of the time) and so a teen mother is left with little/few choices other than birth. And at times, such birth leads to death of the child. Very sad.

[Ree]

I think it's very very bad that American society is so bad that abortion is never seen as a viable option

What are you talking about?

Abortion is not seen as bad at all, (outside of those like me who feel that it is the killing of an innocent), and is very much a viable option sanctioned by society.

The problem is, some young girls fear telling their parents, so they end up carrying the baby and missing out on any type of prenatal care, or even having the option to get an abortion.

Other young girls set out to be pregnant and really want that baby, so would never consider aborting.

In many cases, the reason for the death of the baby has much more to do with complete lack of prenatal medical attention.

[Hobbs]

What are you talking about?

Abortion is not seen as bad at all, (outside of those like me who feel that it is the killing of an innocent), and is very much a viable option sanctioned by society.

Then I guess I hallucinated those people picketing the Planned Parenthood by my house every day for three years. I must have also hallucinated the abortion clinics that are bombed or routinely threatened with violence. My mistake.

I guess it's also my own delusion that one of the hot topics for candidates in the past ten years has been their stance on abortion issues.

[AdminAssistant]

Abortion is not seen as bad at all, (outside of those like me who feel that it is the killing of an innocent), and is very much a viable option sanctioned by society.

It depends on where you are. In some particularly conservative and religious areas, a woman known to have an abortion becomes a social pariah.

What's truly sad is that this girl didn't get the help she needed to prevent the pregnancy, to terminate the pregnancy, or to at least deliver the child safely.

[Dreamstalker]

A number of states have laws on abortions; if performed on a minor a parent's consent is required. A lot of teenagers who decide on abortions are doing so because they don't want their parents (who must give consent) to know.

[Ree]

My point has been slightly missed, but that's OK because this isn't really a thread to debate abortion.
I just find it interesting that, had she opted for abortion, it wouldn't be seen as a problem, but because she didn't, and the child died during birth, she is being criticized in the press, and by the community at large, and is facing a felony charge.