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  • Why everyone should get immunized (if possible)

    Part the first: herd immunity

    Diseases like influenza, measles, mumps, rubella (chicken pox), smallpox and the rest rely on a sizeable population of host bodies (ie us) to live in. They get one host sick, that host gets other hosts sick, and the disease gets to spread.

    If, however, the other hosts are unable to catch the disease, the disease can't spread - the herd is immune. This herd immunity holds even if a small percentage of the herd isn't immune - the likelihood that all the non-immune people will catch it is quite low, as long as the chances are low that they'll come into contact with each other during the contagious period.

    If there are enough unvaccinated people that they will come into contact with each other, the vaccinated ones remain safe, but a disease (such as whooping cough) can become epidemic through the unvaccinated part of an otherwise immune society.

    As an example: Look at a kindergarten or school who allows in children who cannot be vaccinated (such as transplant recipients) but not children who could be, but their parents refuse. This school is relying on herd immunity to protect the transplant recipients from the vaccinated-against diseases.


    Part the second: the numbers game

    ".... yeah, but I've heard about all sorts of adverse reactions to vaccinations. Why should MY child suffer to provide herd immunity to someone else's brat?"

    Actually, getting your child immunized protects them a lot more than it seems like on the surface, to a modern person. Let's look at statistics. (Wheee.)


    According to the CDC. the vaccine with the greatest percentage of reported 'adverse events' is combined measles/mumps/rubella, at 83.4 reports per million vaccinations. I make that about 0.008%.
    Admittedly, this is voluntary reporting, with all the errors that implies. But also, 'adverse reactions' are as mild as a small rash and a bit of itching.

    Some people think that autism is linked with vaccinations. According to a report done at the Australian National University, approximately 1% of people are diagnosed with an Autism spectrum disorder.

    So if you believe in the autism/vaccination link, there's up to 1.008% of adverse reactions to vaccination. If not, 0.008% (plus non-reporting error).


    Now let's look at the percentage of people who got - say - Measles, Mumps &/or Rubella, prior to immunization. And what happened to them.

    According to MedTV, "Each year in the United States, there were approximately three to four million cases, and an average of 450 deaths. Epidemic cycles occurred every two to three years. More than half the population had measles by the time they were six years old, and 90 percent had the disease by the time they were 15 years old. However, after the measles vaccine became available, the number of measles cases dropped by 99 percent, and the epidemic cycles diminished drastically."
    This continued up to 1962, when the US population was 186,538,000. 2.5% of the population died of measles alone.

    Hrm. A 2.5% chance of my kid dying of measles, vs a 0.008% chance of an 'adverse reaction', and maybe a 1% chance of autism spectrum disorder if that hypothesis is correct.

    ..... anyone care to look up mumps? Rubella? Whooping cough? Polio? The figures are roughly similar. So you're looking at a 2.5% chance of measles killing the kid, and if he survives that, a similar chance of mumps doing it, and if he survives that, whooping cough, and ....


    .... and that's just the death figures.


    Yeah. If I had kids, they'd damn well be getting immunized. I'm not relying on herd immunity, especially since so many people seem determined to destroy it.

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    Certain diseases, yes, like measles, mumps & rubella. There is no reason not to get immunized for them.

    The flu shot? Never got it, never will. There's no point. It changes so rapidly by the time the flu shot is being given out, it's no longer the same strain.
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    • #3
      I firmly believe in getting Khan immunized and do not believe there is a connection between vaccines and autism. I do feel bad when he has to get 3 or 4 shots at one time, but it's better than getting mumps...

      When he is older I do not know how I will handle this: I wouldn't want him having prolonged contact with non-immunized children. Even if he has the vaccines himself, that's no guarantee he can't get the disease if another child he has contact with, has it.

      When I was a kid we had to have vaccination records to get into school, but I don't know if those are still required since many people choose to forgo immunizations.

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      • #4
        I agree with the basic immunizations you get as a baby, and I refuse to believe that they cause autism/autism spectrum results in children.

        But I disagree with the flu shot. Pretty much just echoing Greenday, but why immunize yourself against something that is just a guess for the strain of flu for that year? I understand that the guess can be close, but it's not good enough for me. That and it's not completely covered by my insurance, and that I'm bound to be sick of something else anyway every year. In the winter, nearly everyone gets some kind of bug.

        My boss just mentioned last night that we'll have our yearly flu shot clinic at work (yay for mobile clinics, right?). But they aren't sure if it's totally covered, but go ahead and get the shot and they'll bill the insurance company and we'll see how much is covered. Err, no. Most likely, the most it would be would probably be $30 or less, that's still far too much for me. My birth control is cheaper than that.

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        • #5
          ...or if you *are* elderly, or otherwise especially at risk. Otherwise, no, not much point in bothering with it. I kinda enjoy being sick for a couple days every 5 years or so.
          "My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl."

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          • #6
            God, HYHYBT, if only it was 'a couple of days every five years or so' for me.


            Okay. Point made. If the flu, for you, is like that - then nah, skip the flu shot. Until our epidemiologists can figure out a vaccine that will enable herd immunity and let us send influenza the way of smallpox, anyway.

            Me? I get the flu shot. It's much, MUCH more serious for me.

            I'm glad to hear the consensus for MMR, polio and the like, though.

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            • #7
              I actually had to get another MMR shot when I started my Ph.D. because my shot record was incomplete. They had a measles outbreak on campus several years ago that required bringing in the WHO and the like. So, they take that kind of thing much more seriously now. This school also requires dorm residents to get the meningitis vaccine which I see as a Very Good Thing.

              ETA: As much as the University pushes it, I won't get a flu vaccine for the reasons others have already given. I've gotten the flue maybe three times in my entire life. However, if they had a sinus infection vaccine I would be all over that shit.

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              • #8
                I get a seasonal flu shot every year when there's enough supply, mostly because my job strongly encourages it as we work around food and with the general public. In the years when the supply was low, I avoided the shot because I'm not in a high risk category, and even then, it's been several years since I had the flu.

                What's interesting is that I somehow got a defective batch of the MMR shot, so I ended up getting mumps when I was 10. It was reported to the health department and the CDC as a bad vaccine batch, but the case of mumps I had was pretty mild. Despite that, I still consider vaccines to be a Very Good Thing and I don't buy the myth that they cause autism. In fact, diseases like polio are far worse than even the low functioning type of autism IMO.

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                • #9
                  To keep my Health Card current here in Vegas, I have to get a Hepatitis A vaccination every couple of years. I don't work in a job where I need to have it anymore, but it allows me to legally moonlight as a bartender if the opportunity arises.

                  I've had all of my other vaccinations and have even had the Rabies vaccination. For the sake of being "safe," I updated my tetanus vaccination prior to going to China 6 years ago. Everything else was up to date, at the time.

                  Like others, I refuse to get the flu shot. I've never really had issues with the flu, so I've always passed on it. If they begin to require it for a Health Card, I'll consider it then. Otherwise, I see no point to it.

                  CH
                  Some People Are Alive Only Because It's Illegal To Kill Them.

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                  • #10
                    The recommended list of vaccines for kids age 4 is the minimum that's required to get into school around here. However, parents can get an Immunization opt-out form signed by the doctor.

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