Arrested for being defiant

[Andara Bledin]

Except that for the purposes here, the Florida license is valid under the reciprocity laws in place in Pennsylvania.

I admit that I didn't read the full text of Act 235, but both articles state that the police confiscated both gun and license previously and then returned both because, just as in this case, he had broken no laws and was merely being hassled because he was guilty of carrying while not being with the police, which seems to be an issue in the city of Philadelphia.

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[draco664]

In short, he was still carrying an unlicensed gun in the eyes of the state law.

And yet he was only given a citation.

Funny how the police are going on about how he was doing all this highly illegal, yet oddly unspecific activity, yet he walked out of the station with a bit of paper and without his property.

[lordlundar]

And yet he was only given a citation.

Funny how the police are going on about how he was doing all this highly illegal, yet oddly unspecific activity, yet he walked out of the station with a bit of paper and without his property.

Even stranger considering that he was detained for loitering, which usually doesn't warrant more than a citation.

This just screams harassment to me, especially when they deleted the pictures off the phone.

[MrsEclipse]

First off all, I keep cracking up every time they mention that this started because he was hanging out at a bus stop.

Policeman: I first noticed him loitering at a bus stop!

*crickets chirping*

Audience: Um... what?

Policeman: I mean, he watched, like, four other bussed come and go without doing anything.

Audience: Oh. OH. Okay, yeah, I can see that. Continue.

Yes, I can see it from their side, easily, but when you have to simplify it for a news snippet, it sounds really funny.



Seriously, though, I am thinking about this. Did they suspect he had the guns and possibly-not-valid-but-then-again-maybe-they-are permits before he was approached? I can't tell.

[crashhelmet]

First off all, I keep cracking up every time they mention that this started because he was hanging out at a bus stop.

Policeman: I first noticed him loitering at a bus stop!

*crickets chirping*

Audience: Um... what?

Policeman: I mean, he watched, like, four other bussed come and go without doing anything.

Audience: Oh. OH. Okay, yeah, I can see that. Continue.

Yes, I can see it from their side, easily, but when you have to simplify it for a news snippet, it sounds really funny.



Seriously, though, I am thinking about this. Did they suspect he had the guns and possibly-not-valid-but-then-again-maybe-they-are permits before he was approached? I can't tell.

The loitering concern is valid because it's a known location for drug dealing. If i saw a guy standing at a bus stop known for being frequented by drug dealers and he wasn't getting on a bus, I'd be questioning his motives as well.

Their suspicions were justified. Their actions, most likely not.

CH

[Ipecac Drano]

You only quoted part of that. Article (2) is as quote:
So unless he was blocking access or was in violation of any statues or ordinances already existing (and since when is there a legally enforceable time limit for waiting for a bus?), then he was not doing anything wrong.

And nowhere in that section you posted did it say he had to block access. That part you posted said he couldn't just hang around there, proving my point.

I'm not objecting to the guns being taken away for not being locally licensed, but for being (falsely) ARRESTED AND DETAINED for loitering, when there was no legal reason for it.

Loitering is loitering, and it's against the law. There was nothing "false" about it.

Which he would have been formally charged with and would be publicly accessible. He wasn't. In fact the only thing he was charged with was "summary citation for failure to disperse" which is a goddamn ticket!

Sometimes the papers don't print everything.

So let's tell him (and only him mind you) to leave the area and when he legally refuses, slap the cuffs on him and hold him without charges for 7 hours and delete any proof of him not breaking any laws, right? After all, that's the right way to do things apparently. You're right, something isn't right here, but I doubt it lies with the person waiting at the bus.

Then find out everything there is about the case and prove that whatever it is that you suspect.

Except that for the purposes here, the Florida license is valid under the reciprocity laws in place in Pennsylvania.

And, as I had posted earlier, given the current circumstances, the gun had to be registered in Pennsylvania; which would override the reciprocity law.

[Andara Bledin]

I was looking for updates on this story and found some additional background, instead, hosted on a site aimed to help with training for those choosing to enter the law enforcement and justice system.

It appears that Solomon is only one in a continuing string of people, often security personnel, persecuted for their legal possession of firearms while not being LEO.

Article at In the Line of Duty.

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[Greenday]

It appears that Solomon is only one in a continuing string of people, often security personnel, persecuted for their legal possession of firearms while not being LEO.

What case are you talking about? Because it definitely has nothing to do with the loitering case where the guy was arrested for loitering and then had his gun taken away because he had no permit to carry a gun in the state of Pennsylvania.

[crashhelmet]

My understanding is that he did have a permit. The state of Pennsylvania honors the Florida license, which means he was permitted. He also has the ACT235, which the state itself issues to security guards to carry while on the job or going to and from the job.

[Plaidman]

The cops just didn't like the idea that he didn't have a Pennsylvania permit, that he was loitering around a drug dealing area and not getting on a heavy crowded bus with screaming kids, that he was dark skin and /looked/ like a thug.

[Greenday]

The state of Pennsylvania honors the Florida license, which means he was permitted.

Hm, this is something recent they started then.

Looks like after researching it, Philly cops hate the Florida CC permit loophole. Florida apparently hands out CC permits like candy to anyone who asks for one regardless of residency.

[crashhelmet]

hm, this is something recent they started then.

Looks like after researching it, philly cops hate the florida cc permit loophole. Florida apparently hands out cc permits like candy to anyone who asks for one regardless of residency.

It's mah konstitooshunul raht!!!!!!!!!!

[Andara Bledin]

It's mah konstitooshunul raht!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, hey, and it's a legislated right, too.

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