Being felt up at the airport

[Rapscallion]

No, skin doesn't stop x-rays. That's why we use them to view stuff inside the body, like when you break bones.

Correct! However, the skin is still exposed to them and hypothetically would take the greatest dose anyway.

Rapscallion

[Andara Bledin]

Correct! However, the skin is still exposed to them and hypothetically would take the greatest dose anyway.

Actually, no. Only trace amounts of radiation are absorbed by the various soft tissues of the body, including skin, muscle, fat, blood vessels, nervous system, etc, with the bulk of it being taken by the densest parts of the body, which are the bones and teeth.

With the backscatter scanners, however, do not have enough energy to actually penetrate the skin at all, leaving the skin as the only part of the body absorbing radiation. One of the articles I linked earlier seems to indicate that they function through reflection, somehow.

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[lordlundar]

The Hindenberg was filled with Hydrogen and 2 parts stupidity. There other ways of keeping a Zepplin in the air that won't kill people.

Not quite. The Hindenburg was filled with hydrogen due to mistrust in the Nazi regime. You see, Germany didn't have the means to produce helium, which was the most common (and far safer) gas for zepplins at the time, and they had to import from the US. At that time, the US had placed an embargo on such sales and no other place had the supply needed.

To compensate, Germany used hydrogen which there was no embargo on and they could produce themselves. The drawback was that while a helium rupture would have prevented any fires from occurring, hydrogen would simply allow it to spread to other cells. Had that embargo not been in place, the disaster would never have had happened.

[Greenday]

Thank God we used it though. How do you think we discovered jet fuel?

[protege]

Got this in my email today. Quite a few people are having fun at the TSA's expense. Can't say I blame them, since the TSA brought it on themselves. BTW, according to a local radio station (Bob FM, 96.9), the TSA handles more packages than FedEx and UPS combined

[crashhelmet]

BTW, according to a local radio station (Bob FM, 96.9), the TSA handles more packages than FedEx and UPS combined

Thank you. A Xience Energy Drink through the nostrils is not a fun experience.

[Eisa]

TSA screenings and the effect on sexual assault survivors

Maybe I'm just feeling extra shaky and sensitive today, but it's 100% right. If I absolutely had to get on a plane for whatever reason, I would freak out when I got to security. Panic attack, crying, hopefully not actually physically lashing out in startle response as that would get me arrested...

It would be re-traumatizing all over again.

I mean, I had a bad enough time before when my wrist brace set off the metal detector and they had to go over my body with a little wand thingie.

[Andara Bledin]

I received a website link from a friend today that I thought I would share with you all, seeing as how it has some relation to the OP:

4th Amendment Underwear

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[ditchdj]

Good to see that someone with a brain is challenging this in federal court.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40439638/ns/travel/

"The terrorist's job is to terrorize the people, to interfere with freedom in such a way that disrupts ordinary life and commerce," Fielder wrote in his complaint. "With due respect, it is clear that the above referenced governmental agencies are aiding the terrorists' objective."

------He's right. The terrorists are winning. They're changing out way of life and we're falling for it, hook, line, and sinker.

[ditchdj]

Now they're groping at the Greyhound terminal in Tampa.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4G-0...layer_embedded

-----The police state's growing......

[taxguykarl]

Terrorism isn't killing the airline industry. The TSA is.

I pretty much drive everywhere I go now. Up until this point if I've had to fly, I've showed up to the airport wearing sandals, swim trunks, and a t-shirt. Even if it's winter time. I have no pockets and carry everything I need in a backpack. i used to travel with carry-ons and didn't check anything. Now I do. I take as little with me as I possibly can through that security checkpoint.

Air travel is a major PITA--it was even before 9/11 (did anyone notice that those terrorists used items already forbidden, specifically box cutters and pepper spray). I only bother with carry-ons because of the checked bag fees.
On my last trip to Vegas, I was escorted to the shipping center to send home a waiter's corkscrew that went through just fine on the previous 6 flights. I'm flying to San Jose to spend Xmas with my sister and her bunch. I ordered a set of Flying pasties. I'll let you know how they work out, unless of course, the TSA stops this idiotic policy. Follow the lead of the Israelies: Look for terriorists not weapons.

The last couple of times that we flew (Mid-September and October), we only had carry-ons and easily saved at least a couple hours by avoiding the checkins and baggage claims. We printed our passes and made a beeline to the metal detectors and then to the gates; on arrival, we went straight to the ground transports.

1. If you were touched this way on the streets, it would be deemed by many cops as sexual assault.

And if you touched anyone that way at work, you'd get canned for sexual harassment.

It's not easy to replace the IRS as the most hated govenment agency, but congratulations (major sarcasm) to the TSA for pulling that off. Boo freaking hoo to those agents.

[FArchivist]

Yeah, they can.

http://www.worldculturepictorial.com...splaying-form-

I hate to be the one to say it, but the picture provided for the Infowars article is not a real scanner picture. It's a photoshopped made-up one.

This is what the actual scanning pictures look like. And having worked with backscatter machines, I can say that the TSA's rebuttal on this back in January was correct.

It doesn't apply? Our rights and liberties are being stripped away in the name of security. How does this quote not apply?

Our privacy is invaded at the airports. Our privacy is invaded in our phone calls, our internet use, and our bank accounts. All in the name of better security in the "War on Terror."

You do know that your "right to privacy" is extremely limited and narrow according to federal law and SCOTUS decisions? I mean, back in the day of the Founding Fathers the "right to privacy" didn't even exist, as it was not mentioned in the U S Constitution. The whole idea that we have a right to privacy at all is due to court cases in the 20th century wherein it was determined that privacy is a limited, implied right that applies only in certain cases.

If you're complaining about a lack of privacy in the areas of private companies (bank accounts, airports, phone calls) or in public forums (internet), you are going to be on the side of a losing argument. After all, it's not considered to be an invasion of privacy to stick a GPS tracker on your car when it's parked in your driveway. You're better off trying for a 4th Amendment reason.

Apparently TSA employees aren't required to submit to the same screening procedures all the regular passengers have to go through. They can by-pass them even if they've got bags, cases or backpacks on them.

There are many people who are exempt from a TSA screening. Even better, soon you will be able to purchase a pass for a few hundred dollars that will allow travelers to bypass the screens...so long as you can pass the background/criminal check, that is. The free market at work!

BTW, I read somewhere that one of our government officials has a vested interest in those scanners. That is, he's somehow connected to the company that made them. If that's the case, no wonder the TSA and some officials want them. There's a shitload of money at stake!

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING! We have a winner!

Again, here we have the free market at work!

LOL This doesn't even come close to being a violation of the 4th amendment. You don't HAVE to fly. You want to use their services? You have to go through their security. Flying on a plane is not a God given right like some people seem to think.

The Fourth Amendment prevents cops from just walking up to you and demand they search you or from just walking into your house and searching the place. It has NOTHING to do with security checkpoints in a building for an optional way of travel.

Uh, no, the 4th Amendment is WAY more broad than just that. Security checkpoints have been issues of the 4th Amendment before, as seen in United States vs. Place (1983) and Florida vs. Royer (1983). After all, per the TSA itself, the 4th Amendment applies:

Such a warrantless search, also known as an administrative search, is valid under the Fourth Amendment if it is "no more intrusive or intensive than necessary, in light of current technology, to detect weapons or explosives, " confined in good faith to that purpose.

As it is, people have already started to sue. A lot. With vigor. So the courts will decide if it is a 4th Amendment violation and will provide reasoning as to why or why not, as is proper.

[Racket_Man]

diabled woman in a wheelchair goes through airport security in underware.

Wheelchair bound woman get extra special treatment

[Andara Bledin]

And having worked with backscatter machines, I can say that the TSA's rebuttal on this back in January was correct.

Have you worked with the machines the TSA is using? From what I understand, theirs are notably more powerful than those in use in other venues.

But even were the images in that post from January (wait, how did we get those images to post if the machines don't save data and can't transmit it as the TSA claims?) representative of what the TSA sees, it's still a technological strip search.

Again, here we have the free market at work!

There is nothing free market about someone abusing his government position to make money. In fact, it's a contravention of the free market.

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[FArchivist]

Have you worked with the machines the TSA is using? From what I understand, theirs are notably more powerful than those in use in other venues.

The machines I have had experience with are supposed to be at that level. I am told. *shrugs* YMMV, though.

But even were the images in that post from January (wait, how did we get those images to post if the machines don't save data and can't transmit it as the TSA claims?) representative of what the TSA sees, it's still a technological strip search.

Yes, I believe it to be a clear violation of the 4th. And worse, an ineffective one.

As for the images, they are supposed to have been provided by the manufacturer of the machine. Again, YMMV.

There is nothing free market about someone abusing his government position to make money. In fact, it's a contravention of the free market.

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Yes, supposedly the free market is works that way, what with free markets supposedly being free of force and fraud.

Ah, but reality...