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    I Think I'm Going to be Sick . . .

    Well, today I opened up the morning newspaper, and I saw these two articles.

    http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...y.html?sid=101

    http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...ox-county.html

    The second story has received some national attention, I believe, so perhaps some of you have already heard about it. It's about a guy in Mt. Vernon, Ohio who is accused of killing three people and kidnapping another. A few days ago, they found one of his alleged victims tied and gagged in his house, and now they've found the other people who were missing. Their bodies were wrapped up in trash bags, and they were stuffed in a tree trunk.

    Now, the first link I posted is beyond sick. I think even some staunch death penalty opponents would be tempted to advocate for executing that guy.

    On top of this, I also saw that link that BigGiant posted about the bikini waxing for 8 year-old girls.

    What a crappy news day.
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    The suicide watch mention on both articles.... well, I'll just say it's awfully tempting to say LET them kill themselves.

    Downright bizarre. Why do people do this sort of thing?
    "My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl."

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    • #3
      I can't say about the first guy, but the second, well, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that he's actually sociopathic. He's already got a history of arson, and his face has that "untouched by emotion" look to it.

      ^-.-^
      Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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      • #4
        Ya'll are going to be surprised with me for saying this, but every once in a while, I get a little mad when I hear about violent criminals attempting suicide or even being successfull at it.

        Even if it's a state where there is no death penalty, something enrages me about some cases where the perp tries to commit suicide or succeeds, especially if it's before the trial or sentence.

        It's like Oh hell no you don't, you are going to face a jury and face the victim's family and you are going to face the consequences of what you've done, you don't get the easy way out.

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        • #5
          I actually agree with that blas. I'd rather see the person face a jury of peers, be convicted, and thrown in jail to contemplate about not being able to leave those walls for the rest of their life.
          Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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          • #6
            There was a murder last winter, somewhat similar to what happened to my cousin, guy was off his rocker and killed his gf, ditched her car at Target and hid her body in the woods and took off to hide. Was prime suspect anyway from day 1, was found, arrested, and before his trial even began, he successfully committed suicide. His family sued the jail, but I don't know what became of that.

            All I remember was I was angry as hell that he got away the easy way out. I may whine and complain about how I don't agree with life with possibility of parole (which is the worst you can get here) but there is something that makes me very upset when a schmuck like that kills themself instead of facing his consequences and actions. As much as I'd love to see murderers dead as a doornail, I don't want it by their own hand. That's the easy way out.

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            • #7
              Does it actually matter? I mean, whether a killer hangs himself in his cell upon his arrest, or spends a year between cell and courtroom, then another ten years on Death Row, only to end up just as dead afterwards - the result is the same. He's gone, and he'll never hurt anyone, ever again.

              Plus, it's gotta be easier for the famliy of the victim(s). A trial means spending days in the courtroom, listening to a detailed rendition of their loved one's fate, only to hope that the killer won't escape justice on some technicality or other. At least, with a suicide, it won't add more burdens to the ones the families are already carrying.
              "You are who you are on your worst day, Durkon. Anything less is a comforting lie you tell yourself to numb the pain." - Evil
              "You're trying to be Lawful Good. People forget how crucial it is to keep trying, even if they screw it up now and then." - Good

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              • #8
                Canaar, trust me, I am and always will be for the death penalty.

                But there is something that just rubs me the wrong way about the perps who oft themselves before they even get to face the judge or get sentenced. It's not right.

                In a way, sure we're better off without them....but they took the easy way out. That's not really fair. They needed to face their victim's family and the judge and the jury and face the consequences of what they've done.

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                • #9
                  Now, we don't have the death penalty in Germany - though I sometimes wish we would. Not that it seems to do much in the way of crime prevention for the US, but I digress.

                  Still... I can't get rid of the thought that, in a confrontation between killer and victim's family, the killer probably isn't the one suffering the most.
                  "You are who you are on your worst day, Durkon. Anything less is a comforting lie you tell yourself to numb the pain." - Evil
                  "You're trying to be Lawful Good. People forget how crucial it is to keep trying, even if they screw it up now and then." - Good

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Canarr View Post
                    Does it actually matter? I mean, whether a killer hangs himself in his cell upon his arrest, or spends a year between cell and courtroom, then another ten years on Death Row, only to end up just as dead afterwards - the result is the same. He's gone, and he'll never hurt anyone, ever again.

                    Plus, it's gotta be easier for the famliy of the victim(s). A trial means spending days in the courtroom, listening to a detailed rendition of their loved one's fate, only to hope that the killer won't escape justice on some technicality or other. At least, with a suicide, it won't add more burdens to the ones the families are already carrying.
                    If the suspect kills himself *before trial,* then he hasn't really been proven to have done it. If it were in my family, I'd want that done.

                    There's also the matter of giving the killer time to change. I'm not saying they ought to be released over it, so don't pretend I am.
                    "My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl."

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                    • #11
                      Seems to me some people's idea of Justice is more of a "neener neener" towards the guilty party.

                      I'd rather the scumbag be dead, no long a problem, and no longer taking up valuable prison room and tax dollars required to keep them in jail for years.

                      As for "thinking about what they did", they don't care. Why would someone who's soulless enough to kill multiple people give a crap about being caught? They kill themselves because it gives them a last touch of control in the situation. Haha, you can't kill me if I kill me!

                      If they want to off themselves pre-trial, I say take it as a confession, have a judge declare them postmortem to be guilty, and dump them in an unmarked grave.
                      I have a drawing of an orange, which proves I am a semi-tangible collection of pixels forming a somewhat coherent image manifested from the intoxicated mind of a madman. Naturally.

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                      • #12
                        Honestly there's a part of me that would prefer this guy rot in prison for awhile instead of a quick death (referring to the guy from the first link).

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Crazedclerkthe2nd View Post
                          Honestly there's a part of me that would prefer this guy rot in prison for awhile instead of a quick death (referring to the guy from the first link).
                          Why? Doubt he feels any remorse. You'd do just as well locking him in a bathroom on his own house.
                          I have a drawing of an orange, which proves I am a semi-tangible collection of pixels forming a somewhat coherent image manifested from the intoxicated mind of a madman. Naturally.

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                          • #14
                            Stories and monsters like those two mentioned in those articles are why I'm a big supporter of the death penalty. I don't know if Ohio has the death penalty, but they're damn lucky they're not in Texas or they would be in the express lane to getting executed!
                            There are no stupid questions, just stupid people...

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                            • #15
                              Yes, we do have the death penalty in Ohio.

                              I'm not a huge fan on the death penalty, but that guy in the first link can be broken on the wheel as far as I'm concerned.

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