Backscatter While Driving

[FArchivist]

So now the full-body backscatter X-Ray machines will be deployed mobile:

As the privacy controversy around full-body security scans begins to simmer, it’s worth noting that courthouses and airport security checkpoints aren’t the only places where backscatter x-ray vision is being deployed. The same technology, capable of seeing through clothes and walls, has also been rolling out on U.S. streets.

American Science & Engineering, a company based in Billerica, Massachusetts, has sold U.S. and foreign government agencies more than 500 backscatter x-ray scanners mounted in vans that can be driven past neighboring vehicles to see their contents, Joe Reiss, a vice president of marketing at the company told me in an interview.

This is now being heavily marketed to local police forces as an easy way to bust drivers with drugs or ferrying illegal citizens or "just to watch for infractions". Think about it; you're driving your kid to school and in the short 10-minute stretch you've been backscattered without your knowledge maybe 3-4 times. On the road, someone will ALWAYS be watching you.

But don't worry. After all, everyone knows that extremely large and frequent doses of radiation are GREAT for your health!

[BlaqueKatt]

stretch you've been backscattered without your knowledge maybe 3-4 times. But don't worry. After all, everyone knows that extremely large and frequent doses of radiation are GREAT for your health!

except that's not the case here at all.

from the article you linked
"The TSA says each backscatter scan emits radiation equivalent to just two minutes of cosmic radiation at altitude.

and-
"Rez has independently calculated the radiation doses of backscatter scanners using the images produced by the machines."

Meaning-he has NEVER done anything with the machines-he's guessing from the images. (well a regular xray looks similar with radiation does of q so I'll guess this has a radiation does of z-without say measuring anything. They do make stuff to measure radiation exposure. Pretty sure the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements, knows a bit more about radiation than a physics professor that has never touched the machines )


yup but maybe you should ya know actually look into the actual radiation amount emitted/absorbed by backscatter scanners, instead of just "OMG! x-rays, radiation, CANCER, DEATH"

Do a bit of research before jumping to conclusions-it's easy, I'm here to help, just like Clippy.

Maybe read the FDA report-since well they've been testing and studying them for the past 20 years

In 42 minutes of ordinary living, a person receives more radiation from naturally occurring sources than from screening with any general-use x-ray security system.

You actually are exposed to more radiation in two minutes of an air flight than you are from a backscatter scan.

A person would have to be screened more than a thousand times in one year in order to exceed the annual radiation dose limit for people screening that has been set by expert radiation safety organizations

heck even WIKI has stuff on it(which is how I found the FDA report)

"Another way to look at this is that if you were scanned with a backscatter scanner every day of your life, you would still only receive a tenth of the dose of a typical CT scan," he said. By comparison, the amount of radiation from a backscatter scanner is equivalent to about 10 minutes of natural background radiation in the United States"

[ditchdj]

It's like I said, this "to protect us from terrorism" is pure bullshit. It all about someone's making money. That's the bottom line. Same reason we're in Iraq and Afghanistan and the same reason we were in Vietnam. Someone's making money.

[dendawg]

...the same reason we were in Vietnam. Someone's making money.

[ditchdj]

Oh Jesus........

http://www.wikilaw3k.org/forum/Milit...War-444583.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=wEw...page&q&f=false

------Hey, just because the mainstream media didn't report it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[BlaqueKatt]

Oh Jesus........

http://www.wikilaw3k.org/forum/Milit...War-444583.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=wEw...page&q&f=false

------Hey, just because the mainstream media didn't report it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

huh that article talks about money laundering by Vietnamese banks and individuals, I doubt the $2500 in profits one person made was why we were at war-and I'd say time magazine is mainstream enough to paddle a canoe in.

and the first link is pretty much a Wikianswers(wikilaw)-not all that reliable...

[ditchdj]

and the first link is pretty much a Wikianswers(wikilaw)-not all that reliable...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0605-03.htm

--Seems to me that there's a pattern of war profiteers being immune to lawsuits and prosecution from the "services" they provide. Kinda like Halliburton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/09/bu...dismissed.html

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2006/09/25/...t-halliburton/

----You know, well, ANY company that does business with the government is pure and can NEVER do wrong. How stupid of me not to think so. I guess those "honest" politicians on Capitol Hill that only make a couple hundred thousand a year that leave their terms as multi-millionaires must have done really damn good financial planners.

NOTE: No, that's NOT "all" that I have. But I really dont feel like listing a dozen different links on my own because I'm sure you're not gonna go over all of them (or anyone else here for that matter will) anyway. But I can if you request me to....

[Mongo Skruddgemire]

yup but maybe you should ya know actually look into the actual radiation amount emitted/absorbed by backscatter scanners, instead of just "OMG! x-rays, radiation, CANCER, DEATH"

Granted that the radiation levels are not all that great and that they are safe, the real point here is that there are Constitutional laws in place that should (I say again with emphasis...SHOULD) prevent them from scanning my car just because they feel like it.

That by the laws of the Constitution I have a right to not be searched or have my property seized without justification and due process.

If someone wants to search my car while I'm driving, they had better have a warrant, have a good reason (searching the car for drugs if I'm driving stone or the like), or have at least asked me first.

It's called the Fourth Amendment and it reads

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I personally feel that being whacked with a dose of radiation by any passing schmuck in a back-scatter equipped van is an unlawful violation of that particular right.

And plus there is the fact that regardless of it being safe or not, I just do not want to be nuked at random. It should be my right to embrace radiation or to fear and avoid it. It should be my choice as to what goes into my body and not someone else's.

[ditchdj]

And not to mention where does it stop????

There's talk of now having "VIPER" teams at all terminals for mass transportation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUY-32kurI8

There's event talk now of having mobile FAST trailers parked at these places as well as pretty much anywhere they want that can supposedly "read your mind".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wqooBmYfQ4

And, uh, how many "terrorists" have we caught with all these new heavy-handed tactics against our OWN people????