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  • and another possible blow to personal responsibility

    from the sun so iffy on veracity

    World's largest man suing NHS for letting him get overweight.

    At his heaviest Paul was eating 20,000 calories a day.

    they told him to exercise more, sent him to a dietician(he requested an eating disorders specialist), and he had the "life saving" gastric bypass.

    I'm sorry, I know weight problems are difficult, I've had both ends of the spectrum. I was overweight for a time, and then spent 7 years battling anorexia. I watched my sister hit over 400 pounds. She was told she "needed" a gastric bypass or she'd never lose the weight. She's under 300 after two years. It takes time, sadly we live in an instant gratification world and no one wants to wait for anything. Yes after gastric bypass the weight comes off in a year or so. But that's a pretty drastic measure, and doctors are starting to recommend it for kids! I remember watching a discovery channel program where a nurse was having it done(she was over 350), and singing it's praises, while her overweight 12 year-old daughter was eating a super size value meal in the hospital room.

    from the mayo clinic

    Originally posted by mayo clinic
    Gastric bypass surgery can provide long-term, consistent weight loss if you exercise and eat a healthy diet.

    People who regain weight after gastric bypass surgery usually are consuming too many high-calorie foods and beverages and don't exercise enough. And rather than eating three meals a day and perhaps a planned healthy snack, some people eat food all day long.
    so it only works with diet and exercise-what does it do then, limits your ability to eat more than a half cup of food(seriously they tell you you can't have anymore than that-so not even a full container of yougurt which is 180 calories per 8 oz), plus you need to take vitamins for the rest of your life, due to removing the body's ability to absorb any nutrients from food. Why is this seen as a "medical breakthrough"? Or a "life saving treatment"? I'd rather see a three step approach:
    Step one-some sort of psychological evaluation and treatment, if nothing else I know for some people weight gain leads to depression which leads to overeating...etc...treat the underlying problem first not the symptom.
    It would also catch eating disorders before they get out of control
    step two: a comprehensive dietary class.
    One that focuses on healthy and good tasting foods/meals*
    step three: physical therapy
    get help getting people doing things they can, without injury, so they can get strong enough to exercise.

    *at my last job, most of the women were overweight, and gave me hell for always eating but still being thin. Yes, I was eating fruits and veggies all the damn time. As in you normally didn't see me NOT eating, it was a rareity to see me not chewing on something. I normally brought a tupperware container to work with me containing for my 8-12 hour workday:
    3 manderin oranges(clemintines)
    2 apples-
    2 cups of cantalope-
    10 strawberries-
    1 cup of pineapple
    1/2 cucumber sliced
    2 carrots
    20 sugar snap pea pods
    now that's a lot of damn food-I usually didn't finish it all

    total calories for all that food....take a guess.....about 655 calories, that's 100 calories less than a starbucks White Chocolate Crème Frappuccino @ 760 calories per 24 oz, or about the same as a Mc Donalds supersize fry. so one order of fries-vs all that.....

    yes all the women I worked with drank starbucks coffee-usually the frappuccinos, and went for the "100 calorie snack packs" of oreos, crackers, etc. These women could not understand that although I was eating MORE food, it had LESS calories than their daily coffee, this is how damn clueless people are about food, it's sad. And the few times I tried to explain, I got, "oh you're just one of those women with a high metabolism", um no I'm borderline hypothyroidism, just high enough that I don't need the meds yet. I had a mother-in-law that was a dietician-she helped me coming out of my battle with anorexia and subsequent diagnosis of hypothyroid-I was given the choice of meds or watching my diet-the doctor was convinced I'd be back for the meds in a few months once I, in his words, "ballooned up", because watching your diet is just too hard, just take the pills. This is why I generally call BS on people blaming a thyroid condition for weight gain.
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    I generally call BS on someone with a borderline hypothyroid condition for ballooning up. If you can manage it with diet and need take no medication, and you get hefty...no, that's your own fault.

    However, someone with a severe hypothyroid condition...such as myself...wherein your thyroid is basically completely non-functioning and you need medication to survive...you could eat a carrot stick a day and still gain weight. Ok, so that's a slight exagerration, but you get my point.

    I am not obese. I AM a bit overweight (could stand losing about twenty pounds or so), and at the best I can do, I can manage simply not gaining any more than that. Losing is all but impossible giving my lack of thyroid and my chronic pain/mobility condition.

    Other than that I completely agree with you

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    • #3
      Wow Lewis...to ONLY be 20 pounds overweight is amazing...I wouldn't sweat that too much
      https://www.youtube.com/user/HedgeTV
      Great YouTube channel check it out!

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      • #4
        That lawsuit is total BS. Gastic bypass is a last-ditch option, when their health is at serious jeopardy. NHS tried to give him the tools to lose weight. They prescribed exercise and a dietician to help him. He didn't follow the advice of his doctors, and his weight grew. They didn't ignore his weight gain. He ignored their directions!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by telecom_goddess View Post
          Wow Lewis...to ONLY be 20 pounds overweight is amazing...I wouldn't sweat that too much
          My thoughts exactly. Lewis is a good example of why people shouldn't use hypothyroidism as an excuse for health-endangering obesity. An extra 20 lbs isn't that much of a problem from a health perspective.

          Of course, I don't think people should be required to give excuses for their body size at all. That's their own business.

          It's only when you get into lawsuit territory that I start to get annoyed.

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          • #6
            I don't know about you or the next person but gastric bypass is a pretty drastic change too.
            Have to change your diet, no fatty or fried foods, drop all spicy things or adding spice to things.
            And wear dark pants for a while and get used to lose stools.

            And farting alot.

            Makes me angry because this is what was said in the depression class i go to. That the facilitators are there not to tell us what to do but give us the tools on how to help. Its up to us to use it. The rest they left open ended for us to figure out if we didn't use it then its our own fault.
            Repeat after me, "I'm over it"
            Yeah we're so over, over
            Things I hate, that even after all this time...I still came back to the scene of the crime

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