Tattoo laws

[fireheart17]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/t...-1225985880010

OK, the laws itself aren't necessarily the problem, but some of the comments prompted a discussion regarding tattoos in general as well as body piercing.

(If you can't read the article for some reason, the article is talking about changing the law to make it illegal for anyone to tattoo a drunk man (not done anyway) and to make the sale of body piercings to underage folk illegal (ear piercing is fine, but parental consent is required for eyebrow, navel and nose and other piercings are outright banned for underage folk)

My questions:

1) One of the comments talks about people not willing to hire candidates with tattoos-is it really their business?

2) Body piercing for minors-good idea?

[McDreidel09]

My questions:

1) One of the comments talks about people not willing to hire candidates with tattoos-is it really their business?

2) Body piercing for minors-good idea?

1) I honestly wish that tattoos weren't such a huge no-no in the workplace. Just because someone has a tattoo on their forearm doesn't mean that they are not qualified for a position or that they can't do their job. For all one knows, that tattoo represents a loved one who passed. Now, I can see not wanting inappropriate tattoos, like a naked person spreading out their legs to be visible.

2)It would depend on the body piercing. The ones they mentioned are fine. However, I don't think that someone who is underage needs their nipples or other places pierced. I kept my face clear of piercings because I knew that I needed to keep it that way for work and I really didn't want holes in my face when I would have to take them out. Gauges are pretty much the ugliest thing ever. Some people gauge their ears so big, that one can put a soda can through it.

[Andara Bledin]

1) Tattoos have become so mainstream with younger people, that anyone who would refuse to hire someone based on a tattoo is going to start finding a serious problem finding people without tats. However, regularly visible tattoos are less professional than otherwise.

2) I don't see a whole lot of difference between most of the basic facial piercings and ear piercings. Although I do have an irrational and extreme distaste for lip piercings. *shrug* But anything more than the basics should definitely wait until at least 16.

^-.-^

[Ginger Tea]

No company should discriminate when hiring due to tattoo's visible or not, I belive you can take people to court if it is meantioned that your tattoo's are undesireable and it's not your ability or lack thereof to do the job, but HR guy's aren't going to be that stupid to say out right.

people are surprised to find im not painted in some way, I work on the principle that nothing has taken my fancy that I would wan't it to still be there when im a pensioner, also the thought of an 80 year old woman* with a tramp stamp *shudder*, so I do question the permanance of some designs and locations.

body piercing for the under aged, well schools rule out certain types of piercings anyway, so even if you had parental consent and they were there to supervise the piercist, it turns into a waste of time if on your next school day you are asked to remove it and never wear it again.
And if I was a piercist, I would be uncomfortable doing nipples of under 18's, even if they were 16 and over the age of concent in the UK, even with mummy dear supervising, whos to say if the daughter tells her later "eww the way he was touching my breasts, I could hear him breathing, he was creepy." etc Time and effort saved on that one.

*Just for clarification, I'm not a woman, I'm just thinking that the thought of the current generation of tattooed ladies might have a few regretable tats later on down the line and the body might not show such tats in a good light come the wrinkles

[telecom_goddess]

I guess I don't see a problem with body piercings on minors being more regulated until they are 18, it's standard for just about everything anyway so whatever.

As for visible tattoos....yeah they tried to ban those in some workplaces here in Oregon and that didn't fly. No tattoos means you have no workforce. I refuse to deliberately hide mine....if I wanted to hide them I wouldn't have gotten them.

BTW I also have nose ring and gee I still do my job better than some of the yahoos in this place.....

[Ginger Tea]

I remember reading about someone who had a nose ring and was asked to remove it for presentation at work BS, thing is, he worked in telephone sales or tech support, so no one would have seen it save for those he worked with and I don't think they were expected to wear shirt and tie's to answer the phone.

I do remember talking to someone with tattoo's who said when his boss found out he had them he told him he wouldn't have hired him had he known, but he couldn't sack him over it, nor did it change his oppinion of a good worker, but it did highlight his prejudism.

Sure if you were a lawyer and had a snake tattoo covering your neck and face and had love/hate on your knuckles, well it kinda looks bad on you and your client, but I wouldn't bat an eyelid on a petrol station attendant.
Supermarkets can be iffy on your presentation, but tbh speaking for myself only, I wouldnt bat an eyelid if someone with full body jigsaw tattoo's like in that one X-files episode was working as a cashier for the line I ended up joining.

[Rageaholic]

I don't have much of an opinion of tattoos, but this sounds like more nanny state bullshit.

1. Irrelevent. Ignoring the fact that employers who discriminate over stupid things like tattoos need to get a life, that is still no reason to make laws telling you not to do something.

2. It depends on where the tattoo is and how old the minor is. If they're 5 years old, than it's a bad idea, but by 12 they should be allowed to make their own choices. As long as the tattoo artists and the customers abide by the proper safety rules, there's no reason to make such restrictions.

[Boozy]

Within the next 10 or 20 years, it will be pretty common to see facial piercings and visible tattoos on people in the customer service industry. They're getting so common, and hiring managers are getting younger.

I have never seen the big deal, myself. Body mods aren't my cup of tea, but I'm not offended if someone else likes them.

[BlaqueKatt]

but by 12 they should be allowed to make their own choices. As long as the tattoo artists and the customers abide by the proper safety rules, there's no reason to make such restrictions.

your skin changes in your teens and 20's-it's still growing and maturing so a tiny little butterfly on a 12 year-old will mutate into something unrecognizable by age 18-the ink remains a liquid after being injected into the dermis layer, and as you age the elasticity of the skin changes(collagen loss/depletion normal part of aging), and the ink will tend to leak from the tight lines it was injected into-that's why tattoos on older people don't look as "crisp" and more blurred-black fades to blue etc.

One month after a tattoo is received, the bottom section of the epidermis is finishing its healing process. In the dermis, ink is concentrated in the uppermost section, surrounded by collagen. Ink is still being eliminated through the epidermis with ink present in tiny cells. This is why picking scabs can remove some of the ink.

After three months, the epidermis is completely healed, preventing any further loss of ink. Ink is now present exclusively in the dermis layer.

Experts believe that ink particles move into a deeper section of the dermis over time while your lymphatic system constantly flushes all layers of your skin to remove toxins in the body. This causes tattoos to look blurry and bluish after a number of years.

[Eisa]

Hmm. I don't think tattoos should make one bit of difference at the workplace, beyond "inappropriate" things like the naked woman spreading her legs example. From BlaqueKatt's post, though, I can see why tattoos are a bad idea on young people...

I also don't care if minors get whatever pierced...although I do think nipples and genital piercings should wait until they are over 18, because of the whole...creepy/possibly illegal factor.

[Ginger Tea]

Im not too keen on a 12 year old getting a tatto, regardless of how the skin stretches to the adult body f-ing up the design royaly.
Tat's are (were) for life, what fickle child would want something permanant (or costly to remove) on their body?
Ben 10 is their favorite show so they get a character tattooed, come college years and I bet they regret walking around with a ben 10 tattoo.

Henna FTW
It's cheaper, temporary and also legal to apply to children of most ages, mix mods like black jaguar however can sometimes leave permanant marks of partial designs, so although black is better than brown for tatt's its safer in the long run.

Then you have schools in the mix, what would schools say about children with tatt's?

[ExRetailDrone]

I've never understood the big deal with piercings and tattoos and people's revulsion of them. If you don't want one, then don't get one, but don't bad-mouth those who choose to dress up their bodies. And employers who would not hire someone simply because of a tattoo or body piercing? Sounds like discrimination to me.

That's not to say I don't think people's choice for tattoos are classy, because not all are. The naked woman example is a good one. However, if that tattoo was on someone's back and was never seen at work, then no big deal. But I can understand not wanting someone in customer service to have a tattoo like that on their forearms and would ask such an employee to always wear long sleeves if s/he were to be hired.

Body piercings I have no problems with on people of-age. I have a few myself and love them. I had a nose piercing all through my time at The Bullseye and it was never a problem. But I've never understood piercings on really young kids. Why does a toddler need her ears pierced? But once they are over a certain age, I think that with parental consent the should be able to get certain piercings if they so desire. No nipple or genital piercings, but I don't think others are that big of a deal. Now, if I were to have a teenager who wanted a piercing, I would have a long talk with him/her and make sure it's something that they decided and really want to go for. I would probably also make him/her save up the money for it if it was something they really wanted done. The way I see it, piercings aren't permanent and as long as the gauge isn't huge, it won't leave too much in the way of scars once taken out.

[Ginger Tea]

I had both my nipples pierced, done on different days and the first was a bar bell, I had to replace that with a hoop when the screw tip popped out, just didnt fancy another bar bell, so got that swapped when the other was done.

wasn't the best at maintaining it and every day would have dried puss at one or both ends of the first one, in the end I had to cover it with a plaster as it was slowly working its way out. Took the plaster off to change it one day and it was all the way off.

with hind site this was the one that was tweaked by a guy at work, so maybe that was the start of it going bad, the other one was fine, I just took it off as I didn't want to get the other one redone if it could repeat the process and didn't want just one.

I was working in a cake factory at the time and although I could have facial piercings, I would have to cover them with plasters each and every day, kinda put me off, I even spent some time clean shaven as I didn't like wearing a beard snoode, now I put up with it as I am not getting rid of my scraggly goatie, just shave the david bellamy under chin when I find my trimmer, havn't shaved in over 6 months and the sides of my face look like i might have had a shave that month.