Bath Salts - the new drug problem

[Greenday]

That would be the second one I listed: Taking the drugs using clean supplies in a safe environment, possibly with supervision and utilizing substances manufactured by experts under the weight of accountability.

And then what? Stay there until the high wears off? Thus taking away the whole point? Most druggies would still prefer to take them from a dealer and doing it where they can enjoy their drugs.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

And then what? Stay there until the high wears off? Thus taking away the whole point? Most druggies would still prefer to take them from a dealer and doing it where they can enjoy their drugs.

I dunno, high people seem to spend all their time lazing about anyway, and drunk people sometimes wander around and inflict themselves on society. Apples to apples really.

[Greenday]

I dunno, high people seem to spend all their time lazing about anyway, and drunk people sometimes wander around and inflict themselves on society. Apples to apples really.

Weed high and meth high are VERY different things. Meth heads don't just generally sit around and eat cheetos all day.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Weed high and meth high are VERY different things. Meth heads don't just generally sit around and eat cheetos all day.

If anything that really depends. Still, it's list of psychological effects isn't that different than plenty of other shit that people consume on a day-to-day basis. Even if they were out and about, doesn't seem like they'd pose any more threat to people than drunks etc.

[Greenday]

If anything that really depends. Still, it's list of psychological effects isn't that different than plenty of other shit that people consume on a day-to-day basis. Even if they were out and about, doesn't seem like they'd pose any more threat to people than drunks etc.

If you think meth is like anything else you are exposed to on a daily basis, you are very sadly mistaken.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

If you think meth is like anything else you are exposed to on a daily basis, you are very sadly mistaken.

It's at the very least similar, and the same goes for many other drugs as well. Certainly worth some intellectual consideration if not honest to god exploration, can always lock 'em up till there sober if you really have to.

Stuff like Speed, probably a much different story. But hey, whatever it is we can do it better, faster, stronger we have the technology. Go science!

[Greenday]

Unless you've done hard drugs, I can assure you that you have NEVER experienced anything like meth. We don't need to do tests. We have people on the street doing it every day and the effects can easily seen by these people. Hell, it's a lot cheaper as a study. What do you consume in your daily routine that is even comparable to the effects of meth in both general effect and quantity of effect?

[KitterCat]

Unfortunately, that's not always what happens. Every now and then, someone else gets hurt when a meth lab explodes. I have very little sympathy for addicts who blow themselves up while fixing their drug of choice. But, what about the kid playing in the house next door...who is injured when the lab explodes?

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.

Here’s my mentality when it comes to situations such as this. When someone is dealing with highly explosive items they need to do the research needed in order to properly work them. Same as a person who loads their own ammunition, or an amateur fireworks enthusiast or a home chemist working in their lab. They all have to take precautions to make sure things are safe so that their lab/work station doesn’t blow up. If they do so there is no crime. The same should be so for drug takers.

Now if there is no way of making a drug such as meth safely in a home (remember they don’t have to do it at a residence) and they cause an injury to another person then there is a crime. They have just created a victim. The victim is the one who the crime was committed upon so charge them based on what injuries where committed. Charge them on improper use of maintaining chemicals resulting in the explosion. Charge them on unlawful use of chemicals in a residential area resulting in the explosion. There are plenty of laws to charge them with once someone is hurt. To charge them before anyone’s been hurt is saying that you can predict the future and tell when a crime will be committed.

This idea of “what if someone’s hurt” always seams a little hyperbole to me. Its like “think of the children”, unfortunately it just doesn’t work in the real world. This idea that if someone’s hurt so we have to make it illegal when it has come to the War on Drugs just hasn’t worked. People still get high. People still mess up their lives because for some idiot reason that crack pipe is worth more to them than their kids. If a person cant figure out that taking the drug is messing up their life then they deserve to lose their job. They deserve to lose their children due to negligence/abuse ect. They should lose their home. If their capable of taking drugs and still keeping their home/mind in order than their should be no reason not to let them.

Remember back in the 1900’s all of the major drugs we complain about (exempting meth) were around. People could get them and take them. Cocaine was even in the soda. Go Coca-Cola. The world did not come down to a screaming halt leaveing our great grandparents to rise from the ashes and rebuild society in a hundred years time. Trying to use our current laws to enforce drug usage is not working. Let things become legal, tell people what’s in what their taking and let them decide for themselves if they want to take morphine laced cough syrup or ludlum.

Maybe this is just me being cynical, but given the rise of saving every one ideal seems to be killing off common sense. Proof is constantly show in CS, where people are constantly threatened with being sued, being threatened, encountering EW behavior. Maybe if we removed some of the mentality that if something bad happens to you, you can simply blame someone else and take their money, perhaps we could fix something’s that are wrong with society today.

And I’m rambling now.

[protege]

Maybe this is just me being cynical, but given the rise of saving every one ideal seems to be killing off common sense. Proof is constantly show in CS, where people are constantly threatened with being sued, being threatened, encountering EW behavior.

I've always said that we should remove warning labels from everything...and let the problem solve itself. Humanity as a whole would be seriously improved by allowing stupid people to remove themselves from the gene pool. However, we're not allowed to do that--if someone gets injured, they can always find some ambulance-chaser lawyer to take their case, and in many cases, it's simply easier to settle than to fight that shit.

Maybe if we removed some of the mentality that if something bad happens to you, you can simply blame someone else and take their money, perhaps we could fix something’s that are wrong with society today.

That'll never happen. Why? It's *profitable.*

[blas87]

When/If society actually enforces ways to "safely" cook and use meth, along with "safe" ways of using other hard drugs and enforces babysitting systems to ensure that no one dies or gets harmed or does anything they'll regret while on the drugs.............that will be the day I dig a hole and never get out again.

While it does no good to ignore drug problems and go crazy prohibiting or restricting products and the War on Drugs is a tad too frantic, it is absolutely stupid and appalling that people actually want to make it safer for people to take drugs. Stupid. No one should be doing hard drugs. It would only be enticing for innocent people not yet sucked in by drugs to know that their experience would be safe and monitored........yeah, there's incentive to be drug free right there!

[Cata]

Remember back in the 1900’s all of the major drugs we complain about (exempting meth) were around. People could get them and take them. Cocaine was even in the soda. Go Coca-Cola.

While I agree with your general point, this one is one of my pet peeves. While technically true, it's so far from an accurate statement that it's annoying. What was used in Coca-Cola was powdered coca leaves, not pure cocaine. From Snopes:

How much cocaine was in that "mere trace" is impossible to say, but we do know that by 1902, it was as little as 1/400 grain of cocaine per ounce of syrup.

So tiny of a sample as to be nearly meaningless.

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/cocaine.asp

[Andara Bledin]

And then what? Stay there until the high wears off? Thus taking away the whole point? Most druggies would still prefer to take them from a dealer and doing it where they can enjoy their drugs.

Of the two meth-heads that I had extensive contact with, the first would smoke his bowl, and fall asleep in the bathtub. The second (my father) would snort his and then zombify on the couch for the next several hours. How this experience can be reduced by being done in a supervised environment over the overcrowded druggy-central house they were in I can only imagine.

My brother, on the other hand, did crystal meth for a short time (while being a runner for his girlfriend's mother, who was a local dealer), realized that he turned into a raging asshole on it and just quit.

Unless you've done hard drugs, I can assure you that you have NEVER experienced anything like meth.

Really? The stuff gets prescribed by doctors for treatment of ADHD and obesity. As well as possibly narcolepsy and some forms of depression.

And it's possible that we'll be using the stuff to treat stroke victims to help lessen the damage caused to the brain sometime in the near future; it's probably just a matter of determining the optimal dosage.

A lot of the time the only difference between medical use, recreational use, and poison is the dosage.

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[blas87]

I thought Adderall was speed, not meth.

I know enough people who aren't prescribed to it who are hooked on it, and it's disturbing. They may not be toothless and rabidly scratching their skin off, but they are unable to function without their Adderall and miserable to be around, so coming down off of it is just as bad as the stuff off the streets.

[Andara Bledin]

Desoxyn is a trademarked medication that is methamphetamine hydrochloride and used for ADHD and weight loss for when other methods fail; after all, nobody would ever abuse a prescription drug, only recreational ones. </sarcasm>

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[Greenday]

I'm fine with people with ADHD getting their Adderall. I have a friend with ADHD and being near him when he doesn't take it is annoying as hell. Here's my problem with your argument that it helps people with ADHD or obesity (I've never heard the obesity thing): we aren't talking about only people with ADHD or obesity. We are talking about the majority of users a.k.a. people who take it recreationally.