Xbox Live labels boy cheater

[Gravekeeper]

I agree that it's the mom's own fault regarding the cheating and then trying to get a media story out of it, but I don't think that her buying an M-rated game for her son in any way reflects on her parenting skills. JMO.

She bought an 11 year old autistic child a game that lets him press a button at will to hear "Motherfucking cocksucker". That's a reflection all right. >.>

[kibbles]

That's your belief and that's fine, but it's not everyones' belief. And it's definitely not one that should be pushed on someone as they are trying to purchase the game/movie/CD etc. JMO

[Boozy]

I agree with GK.

I can see a parent agreeing to buy an "M" rated game for their 16 or 17 year-old, but eleven? What was this woman thinking?

[AdminAssistant]

Yeah, I remember being a bit young for Goldeneye when it came out....but it was just shooting and red splotches. Games today are more graphic and more detailed than when I was a teen. At no point would my mother had allowed me to purchase a game like that.

Plus, isn't 11 a bit young for something like X-Box live?? Where he's interacting with a bunch of overgrown trolls adult gamers? Unless she's in the room with him all the time, then that's just an invitation for trouble. Honestly, the ban and the cheater tag might be a great benefit in the long run. If the kid can't game, then he and Mom can focus their efforts on socializing in the real world.

[Gravekeeper]

That's your belief and that's fine, but it's not everyones' belief. And it's definitely not one that should be pushed on someone as they are trying to purchase the game/movie/CD etc. JMO

I'm not even sure what you're talking about. Rating systems exists for a reason. To stop your 10 year old from picking GTA4 and Basic Instinct at Best Buy. The only "someone" it gets "pushed" on is people underage for the material they're trying to purchase. In which case, yes, it should be "pushed" on them.

A parent can bypass this and buy them *for* a child if they feel their child is mature enough for it. That's the parent's perogative. However, giving your autistic 11 year old a Motherfucker Button(tm) in a game whose entire sound track is the family friendly soothing beats of 50 Cent shows a tragic lack of judgement in this regard. -.-

Plus, isn't 11 a bit young for something like X-Box live??

Hell, I'm 30 and 5 minutes of listening to X-Box Live chat is enough to make me cringe and slink away with a vague feeling of needing a shower.

[kibbles]

I'm not even sure what you're talking about. Rating systems exists for a reason. To stop your 10 year old from picking GTA4 and Basic Instinct at Best Buy. The only "someone" it gets "pushed" on is people underage for the material they're trying to purchase. In which case, yes, it should be "pushed" on them.

A parent can bypass this and buy them *for* a child if they feel their child is mature enough for it. That's the parent's perogative. However, giving your autistic 11 year old a Motherfucker Button(tm) in a game whose entire sound track is the family friendly soothing beats of 50 Cent shows a tragic lack of judgement in this regard. -.-

I totally agree with the need for a rating system, but I was speaking about occurrences where cashiers vocally express disapproval to the parent who is bypassing the rating system fully aware of what the game entails. It's my fault..I admit that that point was off topic to the conversation..sorry about that.

But I stand by the fact that her choice of game is not a reflection on her parenting whatsoever so on that point we will have to agree to disagree. I do agree that her parenting skills are suspect when she got caught cheating and attempted to create a media circus to cover that fact up. JMO.

[Gravekeeper]

I totally agree with the need for a rating system, but I was speaking about occurrences where cashiers vocally express disapproval to the parent who is bypassing the rating system fully aware of what the game entails.

Ah, yes, that's a different topic.

But I stand by the fact that her choice of game is not a reflection on her parenting whatsoever so on that point we will have to agree to disagree.

Motherfucker Button. >.>

[HYHYBT]

Stupid question: how do you cheat at Xbox Live? I've never used it, and I'm not asking for step=-by-step instructions or anything, just a general idea.

[Greenday]

Sorry, but dropping your 11 year old autistic son down in front of 50 Cents: Blood On The Sand is really going to help him. A game that actually has a button dedicated to swearing at enemies. Of which you can unlock more as you play ( and what does our lad like to do when he plays? That's right, he's going for achievements. )

Sweet! I just found a new game for me to buy when I get out of the sandbox.

Maybe he can handle it. Plenty of kids can. Otherwise we'd see daily shooting sprees at every high school.

I mean, you basically said she's a shitty parent because she bought her 11 year old a game rated M. Which means you called my mother a shitty parent because she bought me a game rated M when I was young.

[AdminAssistant]

I mean, you basically said she's a shitty parent because she bought her 11 year old a game rated M. Which means you called my mother a shitty parent because she bought me a game rated M when I was young.

Greenday, when you (and I) were kids, rated M games didn't feature "motherfucker buttons", graphic sex scenes, or the level of graphic violence seen today. It was more like the Goldeneye red splotches. I'm sorry, but I think it's fair to ask what the *fuck* this mother was thinking buying those sorts of games for any 11 year old, much less one with autism. And then letting him sit there with a headset dealing with the assholes, trolls, and jerkoffs that play XBox live.

Add in the fact that she went to the media and used her son's disability to try to get sympathy, and yes, I feel comfortable saying that she is a shitty parent.

[Greenday]

Hm, GTA 3 was an early M game for me. I was... 13 when it came out. Did my mom like the game? Hell no. But she knew I could handle it and separate it from reality so she let me have it. And you can't tell me 13 is drastically different from 11. Because I wasn't.

[lordlundar]

Sweet! I just found a new game for me to buy when I get out of the sandbox.

Save your sanity and don't, please. That game needs to have the ET effect done to it. (aka buried in a New Mexico landfill.)

Greenday, when you (and I) were kids, rated M games didn't feature "motherfucker buttons", graphic sex scenes, or the level of graphic violence seen today. It was more like the Goldeneye red splotches. I'm sorry, but I think it's fair to ask what the *fuck* this mother was thinking buying those sorts of games for any 11 year old, much less one with autism. And then letting him sit there with a headset dealing with the assholes, trolls, and jerkoffs that play XBox live.

Add in the fact that she went to the media and used her son's disability to try to get sympathy, and yes, I feel comfortable saying that she is a shitty parent.

I won't argue on the "using the disability for sympathy" making her a shitty parent, But if you're going to tout the "buying M rated games" as an argument, you better have rock solid proof that said games are going to affect the kid in a negative way. That said, there hasn't been a test yet that hasn't been fundamentally flawed in some fashion, so unless you have info that I don't have, you don't have a case.

(as for the XBox Live, well, I wouldn't subject any sane person to that, let alone a kid. But the people on there either tend to need psychiatric help, or a bomb shoved under them. Either way, I'm happy. )

[Andara Bledin]

Stupid question: how do you cheat at Xbox Live? I've never used it, and I'm not asking for step=-by-step instructions or anything, just a general idea.

One of the things XBox Live has is an achievement list. In this case, the kid was having a friend play games for him to gain achievements, which is against the ToS.

Greenday, when you (and I) were kids, rated M games didn't feature "motherfucker buttons", graphic sex scenes, or the level of graphic violence seen today.

There was graphic violence in mature games when I was a kid, which is before there even was a rating system, the only difference being the level of detail. And there still isn't graphic sex in games rated M; that's what AO is for (seems to be the only think AO is for 9.9 ). So, the best you've got is rampant swearing, which half the parents in the free world don't seem to give two shits over, if listening to the tweens in my area and the kids playing X-Box Live at the gaming conventions are any indication (the 10-15 age bracket is the one we have to tell, constantly, to moderate their language when playing competitive games).

^-.-^

[IDrinkaRum]

Also, how severly autistic is the child? Just because he can push the buttons on the controller & keep up with the play-by-play of the game with other people doesn't mean a) that he can understand everything being said, b) can speak at all therefore not being able to parrot back what he has heard.

My daughter plays several Sonic games on the PS3 and the Wii. She loves Sonic the Hedgehog. There are times due to either the fact she's blind in one eye or her fingers/brain can't get the right button combos togehter, she has to have her dad help her get past a certain part of the game. I suppose that's 'cheating', but I just see it as 'father helping out his daughter'. (Kinda like the friend helping out the kid; well-meaning but not bad).

[Gravekeeper]

Stupid question: how do you cheat at Xbox Live? I've never used it, and I'm not asking for step=-by-step instructions or anything, just a general idea.

You can, for example, hack saved gamed files into the machine so it automatically and retroactively awards you all the achievements from those files. Which is likely what happened here. That's how MS tends to notices, when you suddenly get a bunch of Achievements for a game you've never played, only played for an hour ( and have 50 achievements for ) or don't even own yet.

I mean, you basically said she's a shitty parent because she bought her 11 year old a game rated M. Which means you called my mother a shitty parent because she bought me a game rated M when I was young.

No, she's a shitty parent for several reasons, handing him the mother fucker button is just one of those. And I wish you'd stop jumping straight to smart ass comments like that. The kid's 11. He has austism. He's not you.

It's not a matter of "handling it". I'd let that fly with something like maybe GTA4 with a 15-16 year old. But 50 Cents with an 11 year autistic kid? Yeah, no.

I'd spare yourself the game though. Unless you really want to sit through a story line about 50 Cents fighting Muslims. >.>



Also, for the record, Goldeneye was rated T.