Two-on-one attack ends in self-defense shooting

[PepperElf]

Warnings - you do see the gunshot in the security video, but it's blocked by a light pole, so all you see is one of the attackers fall back and roll on the ground a little.

And just to let you know - no one died but there was extreme STUPIDITY on the part of the second assailant.


http://fox.daytonsnewssource.com/sha...s/vid_47.shtml


Cast:
Driver: Driver
First Assailant: FA
Second Assailant: SA


The driver was getting some gas at a gas station late at night and went in to pay for his gas. On the way out, someone followed him and started talking (FA). I'm not sure exactly what FA was talking about - possibly trying to convince the driver to give him "a lift" somewhere but...

FA started attacking him, trying to beat the driver down, possibly to rob him or steal the car - especially since it now had a full tank of gas. From off camera, SA came running in to help out.

The driver drew his gun and shot FA twice in the stomach with a .45 (Glock model 36). SA ran off, and the driver drove off ... kinda. From inside the car he called 911 to report the incident and returned to talk to the police and fully cooperated with them. The driver is in the clear because of that, and because Ohio's Castle Laws apply to protecting yourself in your vehicle too.



The stupid part was when SA posted about it on Facebook, whining about it... Apparently the driver was a pussy for pulling a gun in a 2-on-1 robbery attempt and he suggested there would be reprisals.

Since then the FB walls have been pulled down, but not before people got screenshots of them. And I'm sure the driver's lawyers will have a FIELD DAY with that, since I'm sure the data is still there.



Something greater? Not while you're acting like this, you won't.




I like how he calls the driver a "pussy ass" for using a firearm instead of letting him and his sister's boyfriend beat the shit out of him... Moron.

Oh and apparently SA (Billy B Jr) was arrested for assault back in May... I guess his attempt to be something greater didn't last too long.

[DrFaroohk]

Unfortunately, the AIC (Assholes in Charge) will probably say that Driver should have gotten down and started sucking rather than defend himself and charge him with a crime.

then the assailants will sue him...and win.

[PepperElf]

Nope. I also found a message board that featured the driver's own posts on the incident... apparently the cops were entirely on his side. They did escort him off the scene - but only because the attackers' relatives started showing up... and they wanted to keep the driver safe from reprisal.


Plus ... it's Ohio. The driver had CCW. That & the castle laws protect him. In fact the cops said he'll get his gun back in a few days too. (They had to confiscate it for evidence... but that's normal... and he has backup guns anyway)


Side note - the driver also posted that he was carrying with one in the chamber. He said that saved his life, because the way FA had him pinned against the door, he wouldn't have been able to rack the slide back to chamber the round.


So if you carry - remember to carry loaded with one in the chamber (or just carry a fully loaded revolver). It may save your life!

[Greenday]

I could have sworn you weren't supposed to walk around with a round chambered...

[Nyoibo]

I could have sworn you weren't supposed to walk around with a round chambered...

How can you not with a revolver?

[Greenday]

How can you not with a revolver?

Revolvers don't count when talking about chambering a round. Unless you just don't load the chamber that is in position. But yea, when talking about having a round chambered, generally that refers to something along the lines of a M9.

[Nyoibo]

Oh, I know that, I just think that it's stupid if they're going to say it's not alright for one when it's standard on the other.

[Greenday]

Oh, I know that, I just think that it's stupid if they're going to say it's not alright for one when it's standard on the other.

More like you don't have a choice with one.

[XCashier]

I like how he calls the driver a "pussy ass" for using a firearm instead of letting him and his sister's boyfriend beat the shit out of him... Moron.

All bullies think that a fair fight means the bullies outnumber the victim.

I hope those two get some serious time in the slammer.

[insertNameHere]

My favorite topic. I'm from OH, I have my CCW. I will defend myself if I need to. I am of the mindset nobody will protect me but myself, the police are almost never around when someone is being victimized because any "intelligent" criminal will see marked cruiser and know to rob someone 30seconds after it leaves.

I can totally believe that the family will sue, might win but that is what happens when you get 12 idiots in the jury box. However, I really wish that even if the guy ends up dead they had no way to bring a civil case against the driver. The criminal was shot trying to beat and rob him. Even in 1 on 1 fight he had it coming to him. Outside of boxing or MMA if your involved in a fair fight.... you really need to learn how to cheat, at my work If I am robbed. I'm going for Nuts, adams apple and eyes(fist fight - center mass if I have a gun). If you can't stand breath or see. I'm gonna win, I don't care if your bigger or smaller, if you want to fight it gonna be as short as I can make it.

Now to the carrying a chambered gun. It is perfectly legal and with modern firearms reasonably safe (hammer blocks and the like that prevent pin from striking primer without trigger being pressed). I carry a Springfield armory subcompact 9mm, 13rds+1, with a 16rd reload (or two) depending on the location I am in. It does not have a traditional safety that needs to be disengaged, it does have a grip and trigger safety that requires proper form to be fired, and believe me. I can draw my gun easily, drop all my rounds at 10-20ft ON TARGET in less time that it would take for me to produce my phone and hit speed dial 2 and wait for it to connect.

If producing my gun is enough to halt an attacker or someone who is approaching to attack me, there is no need to shoot but if I am in fear of my life and your ontop of me trying to beat me, I'm popping off rounds as fast as I can.

[PepperElf]

Nope, it's not illegal to carry one in the chamber.
maybe it is in one of the nanny-states but not in states where they have Castle Laws.

In fact it's considered to be the PROPER way to carry a loaded gun.


heh, I was never much of a fan of the springfield - but mainly because I can't seem to hold them tight enough to actuate the web-lever. But I fully respect and understand when others pick them.

Then again I'm also into the idea of guns that don't have safeties either. That's just one more step in the way of self-defense. Besides, my revolver is double-action-only so that in itself covers as a safety. Pretty hard to accidentally pull that trigger.


And I fully agree with you. Center of mass... and you have every right to stay alive and be safe from assholes who think they are entitled to mug you for your shit. If they want to start shit like that, they bring it upon themselves.

[Shangri-laschild]

I could have sworn you weren't supposed to walk around with a round chambered...

That's actually how you're really supposed to have the gun set up if you want it to do you any good in a defense situation. If the gun is holstered when not in use then even if there isn't a safety, it's not a problem.

As far as legally, I could be wrong but if they let you carry a loaded gun, I don't think any state has laws against having a bullet in the chamber.

[insertNameHere]

That's actually how you're really supposed to have the gun set up if you want it to do you any good in a defense situation. If the gun is holstered when not in use then even if there isn't a safety, it's not a problem.

As far as legally, I could be wrong but if they let you carry a loaded gun, I don't think any state has laws against having a bullet in the chamber.

If you don't have a round in the chamber you need to train yourself to do the Israeli draw... because the IDF is(was?) trained to carry without one in the chamber and rack the slide on drawing. Also I remember reading something about Spetnaz or one of those other fancy Russian units carrying without one in the chamber but they had special holsters that if you drew your weapon by pushing it out the bottom it would rack the slide and load the weapon.

Lol Kalifornia doesn't let you carry around any loaded gun without a permit. Fun fact in OH, open carry is completely legal with a loaded weapon walking down the street. The only time you need a permit is if you intend to conceal or be in a motor vehicle (and likely a bicycle if you get a dick cop) with a LOADED weapon.

Another Fun OH fact, if you have a bullet in the magazine regardless of it being in the gun or not, it is a "loaded" weapon and you can get busted without a CCW, if it is in your trunk. MI lets you remove the magazine and leave them in the trunk without considering it loaded.

[Shangri-laschild]

Another Fun OH fact, if you have a bullet in the magazine regardless of it being in the gun or not, it is a "loaded" weapon and you can get busted without a CCW, if it is in your trunk. MI lets you remove the magazine and leave them in the trunk without considering it loaded.

Illinois requires that for transport, the gun must not only be unloaded, but in a different area or different container than the ammo. Meaning if they are both in the trunk, they have to be in separate containers. Also I believe (thought could be wrong) that the gun itself is required to be in a case. I don't know what the regulation on cases is though.

[blas87]

Thank Heaven we'll have conceal and carry soon in Wisconsin.

I can honestly say, if it came to a situation like that, I probably wouldn't be thinking about consequences at the time, I'd be more focused on saving myself and getting that person away from me.