WARNING SICK - Homeless woman tries to snatch baby & eat its arm

[the_std]

Blas... Firstly, we're not talking about Hannibal Lector, we're talking about a mentally ill homeless person. Secondly, what is the difference between her and your cousin?

[LadyBarbossa]

To put it bluntly, yes. I know a 'mentally ill' boy, who is now a grown man, who kept being given 'another chance' because no one wanted to hurt his widdle peewins or make him feel left out. At a VBS church event, he purposely caused another student to bleed and was in stitches laughing about it and then tried to pretend being an EMT. He was banned from the church grounds and STILL given another chance because some sympathetic fuckwit thought it was a good idea to send him 400 miles away with a dozen odd other teenagers for camp. One night this 300 pound kid waited until my nephew had his back turned and jumped him from behind and sprained his ankle. Later as my nephew is hobbling around on crutches, this kid said "I really wish you died instead of just getting hurt." This guy's cousin works at the same store I do and said that he's been assaulted by him, everything from being hit in the face to being grabbed by the throat and slammed into a freezer door. I've seen what happens with 'give them another chance'. People get hurt.

[the_std]

... I cannot even put into words how stupid that comparison is. You know ONE person who is dangerous and hasn't reformed, so therefore all mentally ill people cannot be helped and should be effectively abandoned? Can't you see how damaging that viewpoint is to society?

[AdminAssistant]

Even still...even if they can't be helped, you still don't kill them. You put them away, in a nice padded room, and give them the best life you can. These aren't animals, they're human beings, and should be given appropriate treatment.

[blas87]

Well, first of all, he didn't try to eat anyone.

Second of all, he knows he can't be helped. He realizes he is going to spend most of the rest of his life in a looney bin, and I honestly believe he probably wants to die, which is why at his last court thing, he pleaded to go to prison, which I'm assuming is a plot to get himself harmed or killed in there.

He has been quoted as saying that he'll never stop hurting people and he knows he's sick. He has never once said he was sorry, nor that he didn't "know better". He had a team of advocates for the mentally ill that tried that nonsense, but it didn't help.

People like the woman in the OP....you just know, she doesn't "know any better". Well pardon my lack of sympathy for the mentally ill, but when someone starts trying to gnaw on a baby, there's no reason to care or want to help. She tried to eat a baby's arm. That's sick. I don't care how she ended up on the street or why she didn't go to someone for help before she decided it was alright to eat people.

That's as wrong as saying if you're homeless and going ill in the head, it'd be ok to kill someone for their clothes and whatever money in their wallet to go feed yourself, because you don't know any other way to help yourself and it's alright because no one would help stop you.

[the_std]

So just because your cousin is lucid enough to know that he's dangerous, he's superior and more deserving of treatment than another woman who is also mentally ill, but to a point where she doesn't realize she's dangerous? That is so fucking ass-backwards I can't even begin to wrap my head around it. The woman who doesn't know she is dangerous needs MORE HELP so that she can become LESS DANGEROUS, therefore becoming equal to your cousin who can realize that he is dangerous.

[blas87]

I never said my cousin deserves help.

[the_std]

... So mentally ill people who cannot control their actions or are dangerous for reasons that are not their fault don't deserve help... Why? That is the basis for this debate, and it's a question no one has answered yet.

Edit: blas, you also said your cousin was different than this woman, implying that he was better. Why is he better? Because he has the money or support to receive treatment?

[blas87]

Since it's obviously considered inhumane to kill them, then they best be put away for the rest of their lives.

I don't want to risk being eaten by someone or having anymore children get raped by my cousin.

I don't believe half of the people who use mental illness or insanity as an excuse really couldn't control what they did. There's a difference between right and wrong.

People may not know better in life than to try and steal from a hotdog stand or try to break into someone's car to sleep for the night, but I find it hard to believe anyone thinks it's ok in any way to try to eat someone or rape children.

I also never said my cousin was better. Different was the word. I don't think he deserves anything but a needle in his arm.

[the_std]

Since it's obviously considered inhumane to kill them, then they best be put away for the rest of their lives.

And that I would be fine with, if the people who needed that kind of treatment had access to it. But the majority of them don't. A life in an institution that is well-equipped enough to deal with illnesses like this is an expensive option, and there is not enough funding from the government to help these poor people who need that kind of treatment. Putting them in prison is not right, because that clogs up our prisons and takes away space for the people who truly need a prison instead of a mental care facility... But if that is the only option, that is the one I would have to support because it would keep them from harming the general public.

What I am truly arguing with here is the people who said that this woman should be KILLED. Yourself included. You still have not answered my question. Why do people who have a medical problem deserve death because of the consequences of that medical problem? Yeah, I get that you don't believe that half of them are sick. Whatever. How about the half who are legitimately sick? Why should we kill them instead of treating them?

I also never said my cousin was better. Different was the word. I don't think he deserves anything but a needle in his arm.

... Then why bring up your cousin at all? You obviously believe this woman needs to be put to death too, and I get that you think that. That was just confusing the argument, because it seemed like you were saying that he was superior to this woman.

[blas87]

I would imagine before trial, someone with the right qualifications would be able to determine if the person is truly uncapable of knowing right and wrong. But the cynic in me never underestimates the power of defense attorneys and plushy, sympathetic judges.

I don't think everyone who is mentally ill should be killed. People who are trying to eat other people, yes. People who have repeatedly sexually violated someone, yes.

[the_std]

I would imagine before trial, someone with the right qualifications would be able to determine if the person is truly uncapable of knowing right and wrong. But the cynic in me never underestimates the power of defense attorneys and plushy, sympathetic judges.

What are you even talking about?.... Who said anything about a trial?...

I don't think everyone who is mentally ill should be killed.

Okay, good, we're making progress here. But, uh oh, contradiction...

People who are trying to eat other people, yes. People who have repeatedly sexually violated someone, yes.

I will ask you again, making it THREE TIMES I have asked this question. Why should a person be killed because of actions that were caused by a MEDICAL CONDITION?

[blas87]

Oh gee, because it's wrong to eat people? Because it's wrong to rape people?

Not everyone believes in compassion and sympathy for the mentally insane criminal mind. There are plenty of mentally ill people who haven't committed any crimes against anyone or hurt anyone. Give THEM help.

Who truly deserves help are old people with Alzheimers and dimentia, people who are suicidal and need someone to help them and keep them safe, soldiers who are so traumatized they are losing grip of reality, mentally ill who obey the law and don't harm others. Not criminals with a mental illness.

[the_std]

Okay, you know what? I think we're going to keep talking at cross purposes here, because this is obviously a mentality that is deeply ingrained in you for whatever reason, and as absurd and horrifyingly sick as I think that mentality is, I'm not going to be able to change your mind.

I just hope for your sake that you never develop one of the mental illnesses than can cause you to behave the way this woman behaved.

[blas87]

What is so wrong about me thinking differently than you?

Just because I refuse compassion and room in my heart for criminals doesn't make me a bad person or someone who needs my mind changed. I don't need to see any light. I can believe whatever I want to believe. My beliefs and values are my own, as yours are as well. I don't expect you to be conservative or change your own mind. I was just debating with you. I never intend for anyone to take what I say as the Gospel According To St Blonde and all of a sudden see the "light" and go the way of "No Nonsense Conservative Blas".