18 year old pees on kids leg on JetBlue flight

[Imprl59]

http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/08/1...ing-passenger/

This one is really bothering me. If you haven't heard about this to sum the story up an 18 year old male got drunk and peed on an 11 year old girl on a Jet Blue flight. He was a member of the U.S. Ski Team but has now been removed.

Let me just start by saying what he did was wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. On so many levels it was wrong. but...

I don't understand the current attitude in this country of "he did something wrong he must be destroyed". We as a society have decided that 18 year olds aren't mature enough to deal with alcohol and set the drinking age at 21. This 18 year old obtained alcohol, he wasn't mature enough to deal with it and everyone acts surprised he screwed up.

I can see making him serve a thousand hours of community service. I can see making him volunteer in a drug and alcohol treatment center. I can see suspending him from the team but to take everything away from someone who has spent years working toward a goal because they made one mistake really bothers me.

I did a lot of stupid things when I was 18. Most every guy I know has done something stupid with his pecker at one point or another thanks to alcohol. I don't want to make light of the issue or the trauma to the young lady but nobody died here. Punish the kid but don't throw him away.

[Gravekeeper]

Let me just start by saying what he did was wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. On so many levels it was wrong. but...

I don't understand the current attitude in this country of "he did something wrong he must be destroyed". We as a society have decided that 18 year olds aren't mature enough to deal with alcohol and set the drinking age at 21. This 18 year old obtained alcohol, he wasn't mature enough to deal with it and everyone acts surprised he screwed up.

While I do agree with you that there is an unsettling "witch hunt" aspect to the US justice system I have to disagree with you in this specific example. He wiped his dick out in front of an 11 year old and wizzed on her in front of her terminally ill father. Being 18 is no excuse. Being unable to hold your liqour is no excuse. They're explainations but not excuses. He's underage, he knows he's underage, he knows he has a lot to lose if he fucks up being who he is and the team he's on. If anything, he should be doubling down to be a responsible adult.

He may not be old enough to drink, but he is old enough to legally be an adult in the eyes of the law.

[Ginger Tea]

Not read the link (sorry) but if Americans can get put on the sex offenders register just for public urination, I do so hope that he gets put on the child sex offenders register for this, as this is way more than just peeing behind a dumpster that may be within site of a school (hell afaik you don't even have to be near children just getting caught peeing in public).

Many people could be sober but caught short and are branded sex offenders, pissing on a girl, even being drunk is not a get out clause. And if nothing happens to him then it just reinforces the belief that sports stars can rape and murder, but as long as they can play foo'baa' or team sports, they'll let it slide.

[Gravekeeper]

Many people could be sober but caught short and are branded sex offenders, pissing on a girl, even being drunk is not a get out clause. And if nothing happens to him then it just reinforces the belief that sports stars can rape and murder, but as long as they can play foo'baa' or team sports, they'll let it slide.

He's only been charged with indecent exposure according to the article. -.-

[Imprl59]

He may not be old enough to drink, but he is old enough to legally be an adult in the eyes of the law.

I agree, and as I said in my post he should be punished. My issue is with the severity of the punishment. In this case they didn't so much punish him, they threw him away.

People do stupid things. Young people do even more stupid things. If they don't learn from those mistakes then out they go but One strike and you're out bothers me.

[Gravekeeper]

I agree, and as I said in my post he should be punished. My issue is with the severity of the punishment. In this case they didn't so much punish him, they threw him away.

People do stupid things. Young people do even more stupid things. If they don't learn from those mistakes then out they go but One strike and you're out bothers me.

You can not do something like this when you have the reputation of an international sports team on your shoulders. Simple as that. He's representing the US to the world. If it was some local college team or something I might be a bit more leniant. But the US ski team? Aka International / Olympic team? The one thats suppose to represent the best your country has on the stage of the world?

There's no way in hell you can keep someone on a team like that whose claim to fame would be urinating on a little girl. Its disgraceful to the team. Nevermind any team work or team spirit they have could be dragged down.

[Ginger Tea]

Well if they do treat it as a case for putting him on the sex offenders register, would you want a gold medal to be won by a sex offender?
Yes all he did was pee on her, but many people have lost their jobs to peeing on a bush due to this rather draconian law, if you want him to not be punished the way Average Joe American is, then retract all convictions and delete entries from the register for those just pissing behind dumpsters and bushes.
I don't think anyone should be charged with a sex offence for public urination, fines for public exposure and public uriniation yes, having a career and life destroying conviction that makes everyone think you are a kiddie fucker, hell no.

But pissing on a child, with the law as it stands (unless its a state by state, not my country so no idea, never knew of it till about 6 months ago) treat him the same way you treat everyone else, fuck that hes a potential Olympic athlete.
If thats throwing him away, then hes on the same trash heap as many a man caught being caught short, yet branded like they were masturbating at the park.

[Gravekeeper]

I'm quite positive I'd lose my job too if I pissed on anyone. -.-

[jackfaire]

Indeed and the registry is an unforgiving thing. In fact often they won't specify what your crime was you know "to protect your right to privacy" which really just makes the fact people know your on the registry worse.

They get to know your on the registry but without details they can and will assume the worst of you. Getting a flier of "This offender just moved into your neighborhood" often comes close to starting a witch hunt even if according to the registry the person has only one offense from 30 years ago.

Granted not knowing what it is I can't see if it is harmless but chances are that if it isn't something like public urination and is more something actually dangerous that it wouldn't be 30 years and only one offense.

*insert guy rushing in* but uhm what about uhm the ones uhm doing jail time uhm

Well typically offenders that land on the registry do less than five years and many get probation if they aren't considered likely to reoffend as it frees up jail space. So chances of that 30 years being how long they were in jail is unlikely.

[Imprl59]

Well if they do treat it as a case for putting him on the sex offenders register, would you want a gold medal to be won by a sex offender?
Yes all he did was pee on her, but many people have lost their jobs to peeing on a bush due to this rather draconian law, if you want him to not be punished the way Average Joe American is, then retract all convictions and delete entries from the register for those just pissing behind dumpsters and bushes.
I don't think anyone should be charged with a sex offence for public urination, fines for public exposure and public uriniation yes, having a career and life destroying conviction that makes everyone think you are a kiddie fucker, hell no.

If he had done something to the girl to deserve being on the sex offenders list then no I don't want him on the team anymore. If you physically harm another person then I don't care how old you are, you're out. In this case I think he did a horrible thing but I don't think it was sexual or intentional so I don't think he belongs on the sex offenders list.

Perhaps I'm being a little hypocritical here as one could argue that an 11 year old that was peed on by an 18 year old has been mentally and / or physically harmed.

[Ginger Tea]

If he had done something to the girl to deserve being on the sex offenders list then no I don't want him on the team anymore. If you physically harm another person then I don't care how old you are, you're out. In this case I think he did a horrible thing but I don't think it was sexual or intentional so I don't think he belongs on the sex offenders list.

Perhaps I'm being a little hypocritical here as one could argue that an 11 year old that was peed on by an 18 year old has been mentally and / or physically harmed.

Someone informed me via this site that american law or atleast state law has it that public urination gets you put on the sex offenders register, so that being said, pissing on a girl gets you put on the sex offenders register.

I don't agree with it, I don't know if its a state by state law, but if pissing behind a dumpster gets you on it, pissing on a girl definatly gets you on it.

edit:
and as said above, they wont say what sex offence you are charged with, so you move to a new neighbourhood and instead of "well he peed behind a dumpster." people are just told "sex offender." and just assume rapist/paedophile, the law should not be as draconian as it is, but as it stands he should face the full force like every other urination conviction, shitty as it is.

[Imprl59]

There's no way in hell you can keep someone on a team like that whose claim to fame would be urinating on a little girl. Its disgraceful to the team. Nevermind any team work or team spirit they have could be dragged down.

His claim to fame is that he's a world class olympic skier. Peeing on another is a one night deviation on years of work.

You are correct that it is disgraceful to the team. At this point the pee is peed so the only thing we can do is move forward. We can either ruin this kids dreams while sweeping this under the rug and pretending it never happened or we can give him a chance to right the wrong he commited. Either way the team is going to face pee jokes wherever the go for a while. I see this as more of an opportunity to teach a boy to be a man.

I'm just so sick of the judgement today. I have compassion for him as I had my own runins with alcohol back in the day. I did some stupid things and if not for the grace of God they could have turned out a lot worse than a damp leg.

[Imprl59]

[QUOTE=Ginger Tea;92014]Someone informed me via this site that american law or atleast state law has it that public urination gets you put on the sex offenders register, so that being said, pissing on a girl gets you put on the sex offenders register.

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That will be somewhat interesting in this case as he was on a plane in flight when the incident occured so hes dealing with federal charges, not state charges. I really have no idea how those kinds of things are handled.

In this country money buys a lot of good lawyers. I'm making the assumption that he comes from money. If that's the case, right or wrong, he'll probably avoid much of anything coming of it criminally.

[Gravekeeper]

His claim to fame is that he's a world class olympic skier. Peeing on another is a one night deviation on years of work.

I couldn't keep my job if I had done the same thing, and I'm not held to anywhere near the same standard as he is being part of an international sports team. Like I said, he of all people should know better and frankly this lesson is much more effective in teaching a boy to be a man than keeping him on the team would be.

He is, or should be, the best of the best representing his entire country to the world. He disgraced it. Simple as that. Every part of your argument just makes me think that this guy should have been more responsible for himself. This was his dream? Then what the fark is he doing risking it by underage drinking?

People do stupid shit when drunk regardless of age. But that does not negate the fact he made a concious choice to drink in the first place. His condition and his actions are his responsibility and he knew damn well what his position was. Especially if this was a life long dream for him.

Its not that I don't have any sympathy for him, and I certainly don't think he deserves to end up on a sex offenders list or anything. But at the level and standard of sports he's at he doesn't deserve to stay with the team. It sucks, but its entirely his reponsibility and he needs to face the consequences of that.

I wouldn't want him representing my country. Nor would I want him on my team. There are potential problems here deeper than just public opinion. What about team mate opinion? They're the ones that have to work with him. If one of my coworkers told me he got drunk, illegally mind you, then pissed on a little girl there sure as hell wouldn't be any team comaradry there and I wouldn't want to work with them in any capacity. Unless I absolutely had too.

[Andara Bledin]

People do stupid shit when drunk regardless of age. But that does not negate the fact he made a concious choice to drink in the first place. His condition and his actions are his responsibility and he knew damn well what his position was. Especially if this was a life long dream for him.

Its not that I don't have any sympathy for him, and I certainly don't think he deserves to end up on a sex offenders list or anything. But at the level and standard of sports he's at he doesn't deserve to stay with the team. It sucks, but its entirely his reponsibility and he needs to face the consequences of that.

I wouldn't want him representing my country. Nor would I want him on my team. There are potential problems here deeper than just public opinion. What about team mate opinion? They're the ones that have to work with him. If one of my coworkers told me he got drunk, illegally mind you, then pissed on a little girl there sure as hell wouldn't be any team comaradry there and I wouldn't want to work with them in any capacity. Unless I absolutely had too.

All of this.

Who chose to get drunk while underage while on a flight while representing his country?

Who then chose to assault a minor child by urinating on her while in public, on a flight (federal territory) while representing his country?

So, then, who was it that ruined his dream?

He's 18. He's a legal adult. It's a real shame that he made some really boneheaded stupid fucking decisions, but were I to have an opportunity such as what he had, I sure as hell wouldn't be fucking around with stupid shit like that and jeopardizing my chances of realizing my dream.

And don't try to say, "Oh, well, he's just a stupid kid." While I agree he's phenomenally stupid, he's no longer a kid. Plus, hundreds of thousands of Olympic hopefuls have managed to go through their entire careers without every having pissed on a little girl while on an airplane. This is so far beyond the pale that it cannot be overlooked or "swept under the rug." At this level of internationally-recognized stupidity, the only option is to make an example of him. He shouldn't be demonized, but neither should he be allowed to walk away from what he did without serious repercussions.

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