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  • #16
    My reasons for not supporting the UW really has nothing to do with their collection practices. Thankfully giving to charity isn't something that I've ever been pressured to do at any job up here in Canada, and I can tell you if any job place did try that I would refuse outright. I do give to charity on my own terms, and one of them will NEVER be UW.

    Why?

    Well, my sister was one of their poster kids several years back. But we didn't know it. In fact, we didn't know about it until my mother spotted one of their posters in a local store...with my sister's face on it. It was a picture of her in her standing/walking brace and walker - a picture taken at the Variety Center pre-school she was attending. A picture that nobody knew had been given out for use. And one of many that the local UW had in their hands of my sister for use in advertising.

    Understandably, my mother freaked the hell out. She had never given permission for pictures of my sister to be used in any shape or form. And my sister had no idea that her picture was being taken for anything other than the pre-school yearbook/newsletter. The family was given no notice that any pictures taken at pre-school would find their way into the hands of a charity we were in no way affiliated with.

    My mother explained the situation to the store manager who was hesitant to remove the poster at first but then handed the poster over to my mother, apologizing because he had no idea there was anything wrong. My mother conceded that it wasn't his fault. She took the poster home and called up the United Way. She ended up speaking to the local head of PR and made it quite clear that she was less than impressed with having never been even asked if my sister could be on their posters, especially in such a prominent, obvious way.

    The lady my mother was speaking to tried to say that there was nothing wrong with them using pictures of my sister - despite the fact she was all of 5 years old at the time - and displaying them to the public. Oh, and that we should be grateful for everything the UW does for our family!

    WTF?! My mother proceeded to tear a strip off of the lady at that point and proceeded to inform this UW lady that our family has NEVER made use of their charity. The only reason my sister was even at the Variety Center daycare was because she is special needs and this particular daycare provided her with all her OT and PT needs, and that my parents were not getting these services subsidized in any way.

    Not once did my parents ever get an apology from the UW. We did get all the pictures they had of my sister, including the negatives (in the days before digital cameras, folks), and we were shocked at how many they had of her in different situations! We found out later that they were using these pictures as a means to get other businesses on board with them for charity-giving purposes, claiming that this 'poor, needy little girl would not be getting the services she needs if not for the UW.'

    Bull-fucking-shit. Both my parents worked damn good jobs at that time and paid for everything my sister needed - including therapy and special equipment. Not the UW.

    Now whenever I am approached to give donations to the UW I politely decline. If I am pushed I will tell them that the more a charity pushes for donations the less I am inclined to donate, and then I walk away.

    There are very few charities I will donate to. I will donate to the Salvation Army and I shop at their thrift stores. I will donate to local churches, both money, food, and time if I have it. The large national charities? Very, very rarely because I am pretty damn sure that most of that money does NOT go to the people that need it.

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    • #17
      I've also heard that UW will try to muscle their way into other charities in an effort to get their cash.

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      • #18
        Any citation, Mikoyan? I'd prefer allegations against a charity to be more than hearsay to be spread.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by patiokitty View Post
          My reasons for not supporting the UW really has nothing to do with their collection practices. Thankfully giving to charity isn't something that I've ever been pressured to do at any job up here in Canada, and I can tell you if any job place did try that I would refuse outright. I do give to charity on my own terms, and one of them will NEVER be UW.

          **snip**
          To me this is prime mediastorm/lawsuit material right there
          Last edited by MadMike; 10-09-2011, 03:13 AM. Reason: Please don't quote the entire post. We've already read it.

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          • #20
            One thing to be aware of is that the United Way is not a single organization. There is one International organization, one US-based national organization, and 142 regional ones. They all are connected, but operate separately.

            As for funds, United Way International puts 97.7% of all funds collected into their charity programs, United Way Worldwide puts 88.7% into their programs, while the regional range anywhere from 89.7% at the top (United Way of the Midlands, South Carolina) to 57.8% at the bottom (Capital Area United Way, Louisiana). Their CEOs are paid, respectively: $240k, $500k, $153k, $150k.

            Originally posted by Draco View Post
            The Better Business Bureau said that Brian Gallagher, CEO of The United Way earned $1,037,410 in 2008.
            No, it didn't. It said that he received that much in compensation. That includes any benefits, company perks (such as use of a company vehicle, etc), and the like. As noted by CharityNavigator.org, his actual earnings are $494,582 annually. Total administrative expenses (which would include his and everybody else's perks as well as administrative salaries, rents, supplies, and services) run at $7,516,903. Their Admin expenses run just under 10% of their total costs, which is above the average. For comparison, International runs at 1.5%, and the two regionals linked above are 2.2% and 16.2%, respectively, meaning that the national organization is not as efficiently run as it should be. Their best run regionals tend to fall between 2-8% with the worst run falling between 7-17%.

            Unfortunately, the site doesn't evaluate how efficiently the actual programs are run, making no determination about how much actually reaches the needy. But even that number is not as transparent as one would expect, since you can't just take money and hand it out to anyone that claims a need.

            As an aside, I don't donate money to any charities and have no particular interest in the United Way, only an interest in the greater truth.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by SkullKing View Post
              To me this is prime mediastorm/lawsuit material right there
              I recommended it to my parents at the time but they did not want to get wrapped up in the legal system as they had enough on their plates with my sister's needs. Now, if the UW had not pulled the posters and given back all the photos things might have been completely different but because they complied with my parents' requests everything was dropped. And it wasn't until later that it was discovered just what they were doing with those pictures in terms of roping in company involvement - yes, shit did hit the fan at that point but not in a public manner.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
                My personal nemesis is, weirdly, Big Brothers. They call constantly looking for donations of clothes and what not. I mean holy crap, no one buys so many clothes that they'd have a bag of them for you once every two weeks >.>
                What IS it with you and pants???

                Originally posted by blas87 View Post
                It's not just because they don't donate to animal shelters, for me.

                They are a charity that makes businesses go absolutely apeshit insane pressuring and harrassing people (many places where people don't make much to live off themselves) to donate donate donate.

                Around here, United Way proceeds go to the AODA. You think I'm gonna donate money to alcoholics and drug addicts? Fuck that.
                Which is my point: I donate to the charities of my own choice, not an umbrella organization, even though supposedly you can "direct" funds.

                I will NEVER donate to United Way, for many of the reasons cited: my money is earmarked for other uses, I don't like their terror tactics (having been on the receiving end), and don't think the money goes where it really needs to.

                My last ER job tried to push me into donating and got so obnoxious about it, I had to remind my supervisor she was breaking the law (it is illegal for an employer to use intimidation tactics to get employees to donate in the US). She backed off, but still pressured me into signing a declination form (which I wrote some rather nasty things on).

                Now the college is starting up the pressure which usually isn't too bad (lots of email reminders but my manger rarely gets involved in soliciting donations, and even then only because we can direct funds to an emergency loan fund for nursing students). However, we have a new President, so it'll be interesting to see if the tone changes.
                Good news! Your insurance company says they'll cover you. Unfortunately, they also say it will be with dirt.

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                • #23
                  Thanks for the info, Pan. I will definitely remember it next year when pledge season comes around. We haven't been publically guilted at work about it in a few years, but it was either 2008 or 2009, one of our really slower years, around the time things really got bad with the economy, the HR lady got up in front of everyone at our meetings and was begging and pleading because pledges were down.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by blas87 View Post
                    Thanks for the info, Pan. I will definitely remember it next year when pledge season comes around. We haven't been publically guilted at work about it in a few years, but it was either 2008 or 2009, one of our really slower years, around the time things really got bad with the economy, the HR lady got up in front of everyone at our meetings and was begging and pleading because pledges were down.
                    The NLRB should have info on the laws regarding charitable donations at work.
                    Good news! Your insurance company says they'll cover you. Unfortunately, they also say it will be with dirt.

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                    • #25
                      It is time to fight back.

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                      • #26
                        Personally, I use Kiva - www.kiva.org.

                        You put money in, and then pick which person/group around the world you donate it to. They get it in the form of a micro-loan, and pay it back, and you can lend it out again.

                        Because you're not getting interest on it, the loans are far more affordable to these people than usual - and they use the money to build their businesses or buy stock or whatever to help them work their way out of poverty.

                        I just like the idea that I can loan to people to help themselves, and then reloan the money to the next person.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by draco664 View Post
                          Personally, I use Kiva - www.kiva.org.

                          You put money in, and then pick which person/group around the world you donate it to. They get it in the form of a micro-loan, and pay it back, and you can lend it out again.

                          Because you're not getting interest on it, the loans are far more affordable to these people than usual - and they use the money to build their businesses or buy stock or whatever to help them work their way out of poverty.

                          I just like the idea that I can loan to people to help themselves, and then reloan the money to the next person.
                          I like this idea, too. And it seems to work.

                          But you're still taking a risk of not getting paid back
                          Good news! Your insurance company says they'll cover you. Unfortunately, they also say it will be with dirt.

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                          • #28
                            Hubs works for the (U.S.) Federal Government. Every year, around the end of December, they get charity forms to fill out and you can pick/choose which charities you want to give money to. In the past we have given money to Meals on Wheels, various Cancer charities, Rails to Trails, The ARC (Association of Retarded Citizens). Actually, the ARC of my county has a United Way number. I think that's how Mr. Rum donated last year. But after our experiences with their daycare, we're not donating this year.

                            I don't think Mr. Rum would get in trouble for not filling out the forms to donate for the upcoming year, and I don't think they care if he doesn't fill them out. There are, however, certain organizations we both would like to contribute to.

                            The story about using a child for a poster to promote the United Way now has me worried. the ARC has a piece of paper we're supposed to sign that basically says you give the ARC permission to photograph your child (so the parents can get candid pictures of their kids during the day, etc.) that may be used for whatever the ARC deems necessary. (I'm not sure if promotional items is listed specifically). I'm not saying the poster's mother/father signed such a release, but that might give the United Way a legal recourse in a situation like that.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by IDrinkaRum View Post
                              The story about using a child for a poster to promote the United Way now has me worried. the ARC has a piece of paper we're supposed to sign that basically says you give the ARC permission to photograph your child (so the parents can get candid pictures of their kids during the day, etc.) that may be used for whatever the ARC deems necessary. (I'm not sure if promotional items is listed specifically). I'm not saying the poster's mother/father signed such a release, but that might give the United Way a legal recourse in a situation like that.
                              It's been a while but I'm pretty sure any release form they signed was strictly for use by the Variety Center daycare and not to be released to outside organizations. And considering how the PR lady reacted to being caught out I'd say that they didn't have a legal leg to stand on. And then there is the misrepresentation involved because they were claiming that they were paying for my sister's equipment and medical needs when they had no part in it.

                              I would recommend finding out what the ARC feels may constitute 'necessary' in terms of sharing any photos taken there. I know that when my parents contacted the Variety Center the admin was horrified to discover that such a breach had occurred. So I think it's safe to say that those pictures were never meant to go any further than the Center.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rapscallion View Post
                                Any citation, Mikoyan? I'd prefer allegations against a charity to be more than hearsay to be spread.

                                Rapscallion
                                Mostly hearsay...

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