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  • speshayl sneauxflayke syndrome leads to outrage porn

    with added bonus of the "cancer card!"

    I found two similar stories
    here
    and here

    jist of it is: tissue expanders used post masectomy for women with breast cancer contain magnets(and sometimes other metallic items) that show up on TSA scanners. most persons with medical implants are informed to notify TSA screeners and have the card identifying the medical device with them(as in, in hand with your ID). And may be subject to additional screening.

    the manufactured outrage:
    At what point does the need for security eclipse human dignity and compassion?
    as of march 26th, 2010 and July 6th, 2011

    British spy satellites intercepted al-Qaida communications from Pakistan and Yemen, discussing plans to use women as suicide bombers using explosives concealed in breast implants. British intelligence reportedly learned that several British-trained plastic surgeons had returned to the Middle East to perform the surgeries. The process involves inserting the explosive PETN into plastic capsules inside a breast implant before the operation.
    mind you don't misread the article, an "investigative journalist" says it's extraordinarily difficult but a plastic surgeon says it would be very possible and easy.(my instinct says trust the guy with the medical degree to know about medical stuff)

    now the cancer card:
    Women with implants due to cancer, who have suffered enough, are getting stopped and selected for searches. We cancer survivors are being selected for assault, our privacy violated, completely against our will, for no other reason than we had a disease and chose to hide or repair our disfigurement. That has to be some sort of HIPPA or disability rights violation.
    sorry, my mom with her eye lens replacement, and implantable defibrillator has to go through the same thing, and hers aren't temporary. People with replacement joints, same thing. Sorry the scanner can't tell if it's a magnet or a detonator.

    Yes it is just "security theatre" I am well aware of that, but to try and use cancer, and claim there is "no reason to check implants" just kind of shows it's more the "I'm special, so the rules don't apply to me" Tissue expanders are temporary, and not a disability, and I'm getting tired of the people that have no clue what HIPPA actually is.

    I got pulled aside at the boarding gate two feet from the tunnel to the plane, had my bags both rechecked(they had already been checked twice), got a pat down, and had to take my ponytail down, wasn't a big deal(yup full pat down and all), maybe I should've yelled and screamed that it was because I'm a ginger, or that I was a woman, except three other random people were pulled aside as well.
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    I'm confused. Do they do these patdowns on everyone? How far do they go? (is it just a typical patdown or do they force you to take your cloths off?).

    From the first story, it sounds like the TSA employees handled the situation poorly. Why didn't they let her get her card? It would have saved everyone a lot of headaches. (assuming the card is enough proof to get buy).

    I think TSA is going overboard, but since these breast implant suicide bombers sound like a legit threat and not just paranoia, it may be warrented.

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    • #3
      In the first case, she should have been allowed to get her card, and if they have a card with a serial number that matches the image from the scanner, then they should be allowed to skip the 'enhanced patdown' or whatever it's being called.

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      • #4
        Does it mention whether the pat down was part of her implant showing up or was it because her ticket just marked her for it? The computers just mark every so many tickets for a pat down so it's non-biased. If it's the latter, then cry me a river.

        PETN is a relatively powerful explosive. I prefer not to take chances with that. But regardless, once people started trying to take over planes and blow themselves up, safety precautions had to be taken. Don't like it? Don't fly. Your lack of concern for safety isn't worth risking my life.
        Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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        • #5
          Sorry, but I *have* to ask: why would an eye lens replacement affect security?
          "My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by AdminAssistant View Post
            and if they have a card with a serial number that matches the image from the scanner,
            the scanners aren't sensitive enough to read the serial numbers, they just show a metal item that appears to be in the clothing, or on the skin(though the one writer makes the claim with no proof that they can read them, and all I can find is that they detect metal with no distinction as to what it is, too many people don't understand what things are actually capable of and assume things have abilities they do not in reality possess-I have found blogs that claim the scanners can see tampons, and the food you ate 5 minutes ago-they can't see either one)

            The TSA also cannot accept letters from doctors or medical ID cards verifying that someone has a medical implant. Due to the fact that those types of documents are easy to fake and difficult to verify at busy airport checkpoints.
            From the TSA blog on patdowns:

            This is a true story: a passenger told a security officer that he knew he was going to set the metal detector off because he had a pin in his hip. He hoped the officer would give him a pass on additional screening. Instead, the security officer followed TSA guidelines patted down the passenger. Guess what? He found a gun strapped to the passenger’s leg. So, if the security officer had just taken his word for it, a gun would have gotten on the plane—and maybe even been in the seat next to you. Things like this happen all the time, more than you would think.

            I did interestingly find another article written by another breast cancer survivor that was more amused by implant being caught by the scanner.
            Then she said she needed to check something. And she began sweeping her hands around my left breast and rib cage.

            This didn't bother me all that much; in fact it made me smile. Frankly, I think it's a good thing that they're being careful about my left breast. It's probably only a matter of time until someone tries to be the first "boobie bomber."

            edited to add: after reading through the TSA blog and their "why we do what we do" section, I now realize why I'm pulled aside for additional screening, I wear my dog tags when I fly, just in case something would happen(I'm more thinking personal medical emergency as I do take mild sedatives to fly), and apparently it's policy to further screen active duty military and vets. Good to know I guess, but I'll deal with the slight inconvenience.

            Originally posted by tsa blog
            Did you know that we’ve had soldiers bring grenades with them to the airport? Chances are there was no ill intent, but a grenade on a plane is a grenade on a plane. It just shouldn’t be there. (Kind of like snakes on a plane) We’ve also caught passengers impersonating soldiers thinking they would be able to bypass the screening process. Go to any Army/Navy store in America and for less than $50 dollars you too can look just like an active duty soldier, sailor, airman or marine.
            Last edited by BlaqueKatt; 10-02-2011, 04:49 AM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by BlaqueKatt View Post
              edited to add: after reading through the TSA blog and their "why we do what we do" section, I now realize why I'm pulled aside for additional screening, I wear my dog tags when I fly, just in case something would happen(I'm more thinking personal medical emergency as I do take mild sedatives to fly), and apparently it's policy to further screen active duty military and vets. Good to know I guess, but I'll deal with the slight inconvenience.
              I've flown more than most, and I'm active duty Air Force...and I've been stopped trying to bring a Gerber (multi-tool that has a couple decent knife blades on it) onto the aircraft before *shakes head* I very much know better, I'm just so used to carrying it in my bag for work, I forgot...and I'm used to flying enough, I didn't check my bags the way I should have. I seriously dislike the TSA, but I can't argue their point here. *shrugs* If something has been flagged as a possible threat, if they don't investigate it, they are at fault.
              Happiness is too rare in this world to actually lose it because someone wishes it upon you. -Flyndaran

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              • #8
                It'd be nice if we spent half as much money on training our security personnel as we do on our security theater.

                ^-.-^
                Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                • #9
                  On the opposite end of the security spectrum where military is concerned...My last trip to the desert, I saw tsa take away a soldier's nail file...and hand him back his *M-16 RIFLE*. Even unloaded, I'll take a large metal club over a nail file as a weapon...but that could just be me
                  Happiness is too rare in this world to actually lose it because someone wishes it upon you. -Flyndaran

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Evandril View Post
                    Even unloaded, I'll take a large metal club over a nail file as a weapon...but that could just be me
                    I wouldn't. You can't conceal an M16.
                    Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                    • #11
                      Hard to swing in a cramped airplane as well.

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                      • #12
                        My opinion: With freedom comes risk. If you're not prepared to accept the risks, then I guess you don't want freedom.

                        The TSA needs to disband, and now.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by EmiOfBrie View Post
                          My opinion: With freedom comes risk. If you're not prepared to accept the risks, then I guess you don't want freedom.

                          The TSA needs to disband, and now.
                          using that logic the police, fire, and court systems should disband as well.

                          Flying is a choice, not a necessity of life, it is not mandatory(even for a job, they usually tell a person before they accept that travel is necessary).
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by EmiOfBrie View Post
                            My opinion: With freedom comes risk. If you're not prepared to accept the risks, then I guess you don't want freedom.

                            The TSA needs to disband, and now.
                            You can have freedom without having to take unnecessary risks though.
                            Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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