just saw this tonight, failure to report bishop idicted

[LexiaFira]

link to article

if this goes in the religous section please move it
for me its more the shock of WHY? And then the realization of why because the whole debacle with the priests molesting kids back a few years that most of us forgot (?) or didn't.

if this was about protecting children why did it come to this?

[Rageaholic]

They really handled this sex abuse scandle poorly so this doesn't surprise me one bit.

[LexiaFira]

I remember when in my senior year in my school we went on a tour of downtown dallas which happened to bring us to the Saint Mary's Cathedral which was in the middle of remodeling. (I remember the building, the name may be wrong) Which was on hold due to the lawsuit from the molestings. I remember hearing something along the lines of attempting to sway us with the whole feel sorry because this lawsuit cost us our funding to fix/remodel. One kid piped up why should I feel sorry for the church who hid this from people and kept transferring the guilty person around. Not word for word but along those lines. Of course the kid was taken aside and we continued on but damn.

[HYHYBT]

If you don't want to get in trouble, don't do bad things is apparently too simple.

[bara]

This story helps legitimize the majority of the things that George Carlin made fun of religion about. This whole fiasco really.

I think Robin Williams called it the 'divine witness protection program'.

[CaptainJaneway]

I think if the priests were allowed to marry maybe this would not be an issue. I have not come across any other religion that has this type of nasty behavior from their clergy. I am not saying it doesnt happen somewhere out there but you have to wonder.

[Gravekeeper]

I think if the priests were allowed to marry maybe this would not be an issue. I have not come across any other religion that has this type of nasty behavior from their clergy. I am not saying it doesnt happen somewhere out there but you have to wonder.

I'm not sure any other religion has the same level of "RAWR, PENIS BAD". Roman Catholic is a unique blend of overwhelming guilt and complete rejection of anything having to do with weewee's and hooha's as filthy, dirty sin. Even the thought of it is a sin. Basically, you're a sinner for even having genitals. -.-

All and all we're probably lucky they don't just snap and go molester postal at an IHOP.

Other religions have vows of celibacy as well, but they're not combined with guilt, sin and shunning if you decide to turn away from those vows. There's a stigma attached when you're Roman Catholic. ( Well, there's a stigma attached to near everything when you're a Roman Catholic. )

[Sarah Valentine]

One kid piped up why should I feel sorry for the church who hid this from people and kept transferring the guilt person around. Not word for word but along those lines. Of course the kid was taken aside and we continued on but damn.

I have to agree, they brought it on themselves why should anyone feel sorry for them. IMO the kid shouldn't have been taken aside for speaking his mind.

[Kheldarson]

The sin stigma is actually being released slowly in the Church. John Paul II wrote something called Theology of the Body that is really quite lovely in explaining sexuality in the Church. Unfortunately, like everything else when it comes to changes in the Church, it's being adopted at a glacial pace >.<

Course, it doesn't help either when one of the main secular writers for it had to rewrite his book a couple of times for including uncomfortable acts of sexuality...


But on the OP, as a Catholic, I'm uncomfortable with the indictment, but I'm glad it was done. The Catholic Church in America needs a wake up call, desperately.

[Rapscallion]

But on the OP, as a Catholic, I'm uncomfortable with the indictment, but I'm glad it was done. The Catholic Church in America needs a wake up call, desperately.

It's had several. They've not worked.

Rapscallion

[Greenday]

I think if the priests were allowed to marry maybe this would not be an issue. I have not come across any other religion that has this type of nasty behavior from their clergy. I am not saying it doesnt happen somewhere out there but you have to wonder.

Because screwing little kids instead of hookers definitely is the way to go.

/sarcasm

[Nyoibo]

Course, it doesn't help either when one of the main secular writers for it had to rewrite his book a couple of times for including uncomfortable acts of sexuality...

What exactly are "uncomfortable" acts of sexuality?

[Blue Ginger]

I remember hearing something along the lines of attempting to sway us with the whole feel sorry because this lawsuit cost us our funding to fix/remodel. One kid piped up why should I feel sorry for the church who hid this from people and kept transferring the guilt person around. Not word for word but along those lines. Of course the kid was taken aside and we continued on but damn.

When Australia was having the 'Sorry' debate about apologising to the Aboriginal people, we had the head-honcho of the Church from my capital city visit my school. (I have no clue what the order of hierarchy is in the church.) He was trying to convince us that it was our duty to say sorry and it was the Aboriginal peoples duty to forgive us.

Lots of debate and comments were made, mainly from ill-informed teens and stupid teachers. Not sure how the debated ended as I was escorted out after standing up and saying that the gov and church had to apoligise to ALL stolen children, including those from the UK and Ireland that were told their parents were dead when they were actually still alive.

I was in Ireland when the Ryan Report was released. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commiss...to_Child_Abuse The report covered a lot of ground. Some of the people involved are dead. There is a lot of pressure on now for others to face charges and hopefully a crap ton of jail time. A lot of high ups are facing pressure to explain why they moved known arseholes around when people reported the abuse. Some of those arseholes were moved to other countries, including USA, NZ & Aus.

This is not going to end anytime soon.

[Rageaholic]

I remember when in my senior year in my school we went on a tour of downtown dallas which happened to bring us to the Saint Mary's Cathedral which was in the middle of remodeling. (I remember the building, the name may be wrong) Which was on hold due to the lawsuit from the molestings. I remember hearing something along the lines of attempting to sway us with the whole feel sorry because this lawsuit cost us our funding to fix/remodel. One kid piped up why should I feel sorry for the church who hid this from people and kept transferring the guilt person around. Not word for word but along those lines. Of course the kid was taken aside and we continued on but damn.

I hate that Catholic/Christian guilt bullshit.

They have a way to make you feel like a horrible person for daring to criticize, question, or even just disagree with church beliefs. Good for the kid for calling them out on it and being strong enough to withstand the guilt trips.

[Panacea]

One kid piped up why should I feel sorry for the church who hid this from people and kept transferring the guilt person around. Not word for word but along those lines. Of course the kid was taken aside and we continued on but damn.

Kid dared to speak a most inconvenient truth. Considering how actively the Church hid sex scandals, as well as their unwillingness to accept accountability and produce real changes to protect the innocent, they really have no room to condemn the sins of others.

I think if the priests were allowed to marry maybe this would not be an issue. I have not come across any other religion that has this type of nasty behavior from their clergy. I am not saying it doesnt happen somewhere out there but you have to wonder.

Well, if the Church allowed priests to marry they might attract a more stable, better class of candidates. I think the abuser priests choose the Church specifically because it places them in positions of trust and authority over children, and because it's easy to hide the crime. They get free room and board, a stipend, a respectable job that pays them to be predators. What's not to like?

Not that married men couldn't commit sex crimes against children (they do), but there are plenty of men I'm sure who would choose the priesthood if they could also raise a family.

The Church is allowing Episcopal priests to remain married and remain priests if they convert to the Roman Church, so it's not like there isn't a precedent.

When Australia was having the 'Sorry' debate about apologising to the Aboriginal people, we had the head-honcho of the Church from my capital city visit my school. (I have no clue what the order of hierarchy is in the church.) He was trying to convince us that it was our duty to say sorry and it was the Aboriginal peoples duty to forgive us.

Horseshit. No one is obligated to extend forgiveness for anything. It is a good thing to do, but it is worthless if not offered freely and without obligation.

Lots of debate and comments were made, mainly from ill-informed teens and stupid teachers. Not sure how the debated ended as I was escorted out after standing up and saying that the gov and church had to apoligise to ALL stolen children, including those from the UK and Ireland that were told their parents were dead when they were actually still alive.

We did something similar to that here in the US: the children of Plains Indians were forcibly removed to boarding schools on the East Coast in an effort to eradicate Native languages, cultures and custom. It did a LOT of damage.

I was in Ireland when the Ryan Report was released. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commiss...to_Child_Abuse The report covered a lot of ground. Some of the people involved are dead. There is a lot of pressure on now for others to face charges and hopefully a crap ton of jail time. A lot of high ups are facing pressure to explain why they moved known arseholes around when people reported the abuse. Some of those arseholes were moved to other countries, including USA, NZ & Aus.

This is not going to end anytime soon.

Probably not. I still can't wrap my head around the insistence of the Church in protecting these freaks.