Speaking of Obesity...

[AFPheonix]

Because corn requires a lot of energy to grow. If we're going to use up precious acreage to grow fuel, I'd rather we used something that used less petroleum based fertilizers and less irrigation, not to mention something that smaller farmers wouldn't have to buy copyrighted seed for every year.

[Slytovhand]

Oh - Sorry RK.. the way I read it was it was 9g plus 2g plus <1g - not as in 9g total (but I figure you figured that )

I reckon cos carbohydrate has a certain meaning, and sugar also has a certain (and probably quite specific) meaning, so they got around the loophope. I've seen that one before - such as sucrose is sugar, but dextrose (which is the same - but a certain type of sucrose) might be different. And then there's the fructose, maltose, lactose, and a stack of other -oses to go with them.

APF - we were thinking that if there's such a surplus of corn, it'd be better to use it as fuel. Not so much to actually grow it as a specialised fuel substitute crop. Besides - cane sugar would be better - you get the sugar, and the rest goes to making the ethanol.

And 'copyrighted seed'... sheesh!! what's going on in the world???

How come we haven't gone into talking about meat in this thread?? We consume far too much protein and animals fats to be good for us (in many many ways), and they contribute to obesity far more than the sugars (although, only because of the amount of sugars that stop the metabolism from using the fats and proteins as they should be...)

Slyt

[IDrinkaRum]

I'm trying to wean my husband off of barbecue sauce (he puts it sandwiches/slices of meat like meatloaf, etc.) because like the first or second ingredient is HFCS. Yes, Barbecue Sauce is needed for barbecue but not as a steak sauce/condiment.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Yeah more effort goes into sleight of hand on nutritional lables that goes into creating the food it's describing.

You can thank Monsanto (otherwise known as "Satan".)for the frankenfoods and GMO seed that won't grow unless they are chemically suplemented. If you really want to lay awake at night, do some reading on that company.

As for meat and fat, that is not what is making people fat, although you are correct in that sugars keep your body from metabolizing fat and protien properly. But bottom line really is that you will not lose weight if you continue to consume large amounts of sugar. And really, it's not about the fat. It's about the sugar. Sugar is HORRIFIC on your body, to a point that people really simply do not realize how awful it is. It is responsible for a legion of human health problems. Obesity, diabeties, hypoglycemia, high blood pressure, migraines, hell, even cancer feeds and grows on the sugar you consume.

It's not the meat. Although the hormones and other crap they pump into it isn't helping.

This right here should be required reading:
http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-.../dp/1400040787

Check out my boy Sean on YouTube. I love this guy. This particular post is very relevant to this discussion: Don't be put off by the title.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjdy0n_gJq8


IDrinkARum, I meant to say, make some sugar free barbeque sauce with a little splenda. I don't know what kind you like, but you can certainly make the stuff with no sugar.

[AFPheonix]

APF - we were thinking that if there's such a surplus of corn, it'd be better to use it as fuel. Not so much to actually grow it as a specialised fuel substitute crop. Besides - cane sugar would be better - you get the sugar, and the rest goes to making the ethanol.

And 'copyrighted seed'... sheesh!! what's going on in the world???

How come we haven't gone into talking about meat in this thread?? We consume far too much protein and animals fats to be good for us (in many many ways), and they contribute to obesity far more than the sugars (although, only because of the amount of sugars that stop the metabolism from using the fats and proteins as they should be...)

Slyt

The reality is that using corn for fuel means it is worth more as a commodity than growing food crops. Farmers plant more corn to turn into ethanol, earn more per bushel selling it and the larger farmers also get subsidies on top of it. The bottom line is that less corn is then available for food products for humans and also for animals, driving up costs of meat as well.
This has also exacerbated the hay shortage in the US. Farmers are taking out their hay fields and planting crops like corn for fuel use. It really affects a lot of things without really impacting fuel prices.
The seed thing makes sense on some level. Companies develop these plants that can resist a lot of different diseases and are hardier. They need to make some money back on their input costs so they copyright the technology and make it so the plant itself cannot go to seed.
Proteins, fats and complex carbs should make up a sustainable diet. These are all much harder for your body to metabolize and therefore don't get easily stored as fat. Yes, some simple carbs are important to have for immediate use in the body, but not nearly as much as we consume now. My only caveat on the protein thing is that people with impaired kidney function cannot clear them out of their system well, and should adjust their diet accordingly.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

I for one am very interested in seeing what the fuel situation does to the corn suplus. Should be interesting.

[Slytovhand]

Yeah more effort goes into sleight of hand on nutritional lables that goes into creating the food it's describing.

What are you saying about me???

As for meat and fat, that is not what is making people fat, although you are correct in that sugars keep your body from metabolizing fat and protien properly. But bottom line really is that you will not lose weight if you continue to consume large amounts of sugar. And really, it's not about the fat. It's about the sugar. Sugar is HORRIFIC on your body, to a point that people really simply do not realize how awful it is. It is responsible for a legion of human health problems. Obesity, diabeties, hypoglycemia, high blood pressure, migraines, hell, even cancer feeds and grows on the sugar you consume.

It's not the meat. Although the hormones and other crap they pump into it isn't helping.

Yeah - that's sort of what I was getting at. Given so much available energy in the body from excessive consumption of sugar (simple carb), it doesn't put the complex sugars (in the form of complex carbs and fats) to the use they are supposed to do.

I'd be an idiot (or a highly-paid pseudo-scientist) to say that the sugars aren't bad in the quantities they are - but then, that also gets combined with the more sedentary lifestyle we have in this culture.

It may not 'be the meat' nor the fats - but all of those in combination...yeah - there's the problem.


Slyt (trying to call up biochem from some years ago - and failing )