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  • #46
    Wasn't the whole original point of costumes so you could hide from the ebil? Shouldn't they be hiding from TEH DEVIL along with everyone else? ;p


    Originally posted by Kheldarson
    The best way to say it is that the aspect of God as Jesus, Son of God and Man and Savior of the World wasn't in full play yet. God as Father and Creator was.
    Christianity is odd. >.>

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
      Wasn't the whole original point of costumes so you could hide from the ebil? Shouldn't they be hiding from TEH DEVIL along with everyone else? ;p
      Wasn't it due to copying the spirits as well as protection?

      (I actually had to point this out to people the other day who kept arguing that Halloween is strictly an American festival, when in fact it has its roots in Gaelic/Celtic lore)

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      • #48
        Originally posted by fireheart17 View Post
        (I actually had to point this out to people the other day who kept arguing that Halloween is strictly an American festival, when in fact it has its roots in Gaelic/Celtic lore)
        Haha, what? Who the Hell would argue its strictly American? It's Roman and/or Celt/Gaelic. But universally ties back to various fall/harvest festivals and what not.

        Does America even have any strictly American festival holidays aside from Thanksgiving? ( Which even then isn't really unique to America and was an English/Native harvest festival ). Me thinks most if not all festival holidays observed in America are quite a bit older than America itself.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
          Haha, what? Who the Hell would argue its strictly American? It's Roman and/or Celt/Gaelic. But universally ties back to various fall/harvest festivals and what not.

          Does America even have any strictly American festival holidays aside from Thanksgiving? ( Which even then isn't really unique to America and was an English/Native harvest festival ). Me thinks most if not all festival holidays observed in America are quite a bit older than America itself.
          Remember, Aussie here. Not American

          And there are several people down my neck of the woods who view it as an unwanted American pop culture influence. And yes it does tie back to harvest festivals as well-some of the common Halloween activities are derived from that. As is the respect for the dead, which is where all the spooky stuff comes from

          You folks have Fourth of July, Martin Luther King Day and Thanksgiving. We don't celebrate any of those. (Oh and I forgot Canadian Independence Day or whatever you folks call your independence day?) We Aussies have Australia Day, Adelaide Cup or Melbourne Cup day (depending on your state) and Easter.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by fireheart17 View Post
            You folks have Fourth of July, Martin Luther King Day and Thanksgiving. We don't celebrate any of those. (Oh and I forgot Canadian Independence Day or whatever you folks call your independence day?) We Aussies have Australia Day, Adelaide Cup or Melbourne Cup day (depending on your state) and Easter.
            We have Canada Day, Victoria Day ( For the Queen ), Easter, Remembrace Day, Boxing Day and Pirate Thanksgiving ( Started by an English pirate >.> )

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            • #51
              Originally posted by KabeRinnaul View Post
              Willoween - A Halloween party or group costume based upon the movie "Willow." Requires at least one friend of small stature to play the title role.
              Or Hansome Tom in Suburban Knights.

              Originally posted by KabeRinnaul View Post
              Melloween - Everyone gets stoned before they go out for Halloween. Or don't go out, but instead stay home and eat candy while watching discount-bin horror movies because, well, you're stoned. Regardless, all involved are mellow.
              If I wasn't put off smoking as a child due to a crazy babysitting experience with a neighbour, I might have taken up weed, but as I really can't smoke (tried a few times when really wankered) I would have to bake mine, but I would be eating my munchies before I got the munchies.

              I always saw Halloween's trick or treating as an American thing, we did a few when we lived in Germany, but when we moved back to England, no one really did anything door to door, cept for penny for the guy, I only ever see adults dressing up and that is rarely TBH, I didn't get to go to my local's halloween as I didn't finish working my day off till 10pm, but I don't know how many would be in dress up.

              No costume
              No booze

              would be my prerequisite if I was running a theme night and on the 31st itself, it being a monday, I don't think anyone will be doing owt unless it's the Rocky Horror down at my local cinema.
              Halloween has always been 'celebrated' on the last friday/saturday of the month.

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              • #52
                A church near where I grew up with had an anti-halloween thing going. Only at least they made it fun. Games, food (the hot dog sauce made by one of my neighbors was one of the best I've ever had...wish I knew the recipe), etc. Heck you got better candy and had a better time going to it then trick or treating..because our town was very small.

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                • #53
                  I don't recall anything anti-Halloween going on in my town growing up. Just my two JW friends being really bummed out. >.>

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                  • #54
                    One of the churches near me used to have a costume party at Halloween, rather than a Halloween party.
                    They had a "come as your favourite bible story" theme.

                    (I still laugh when I remember the story that I heard from a coworker when he was younger. He strapped a card table to his body and stapled paper plates all over it and went as "The Last Supper". )
                    Point to Ponder:

                    Is it considered irony when someone on an internet forum makes a post that can be considered to look like it was written by a 3rd grade dropout, and they are poking fun of the fact that another person couldn't spell?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by guywithashovel View Post
                      At the very least, they could have come up with a more creative name for it. There's nothing creative about taking the "Hallow" off and replacing it with "Jesus." .
                      The irony is, the origin of the holiday's name is Christian: it's a contraction of All Hallow's Eve, the night before All Saints Day.

                      The original name for the festival in its Celtic roots is Samhain.

                      And part of the point was harvest festival, part New Year celebration (Samhain is the Celtic New Year IIRC), and part day when the barrier between worlds is thin, so you dress up to hide yourself from unfriendly spirits, not to worship them.
                      Good news! Your insurance company says they'll cover you. Unfortunately, they also say it will be with dirt.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
                        I don't recall anything anti-Halloween going on in my town growing up.
                        I know of a few things. Some churches hold "hell houses." Instead of haunted houses, their characters depict various things that will supposedly land you in Hell. Also, one DJ (Delilah on 99.7) usually goes on about how her children aren't allowed to trick-or-treat because it's "evil."

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post

                          Christianity is odd. >.>
                          Ehh...a little. The full theology makes sense, but that's a discussion for another topic entirely.

                          Originally posted by Panacea View Post

                          The original name for the festival in its Celtic roots is Samhain.

                          And part of the point was harvest festival, part New Year celebration (Samhain is the Celtic New Year IIRC), and part day when the barrier between worlds is thin, so you dress up to hide yourself from unfriendly spirits, not to worship them.
                          Or to completely scare them away.

                          Had a conversation yesterday with a people greeter at Wal-Mart who wanted to know why we had Halloween. So told him about Samhain and the New Year. It bowled him away. I think I further rocked his world by explaining that all of the major religious holidays were appropriated by the Church from the pagans.
                          I has a blog!

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                          • #58
                            And I can only imagine the reaction this would get if it were a muslim man wanting to hand out Korans...

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Ree View Post

                              (I still laugh when I remember the story that I heard from a coworker when he was younger. He strapped a card table to his body and stapled paper plates all over it and went as "The Last Supper". )
                              We had a Halloween party at our church once (and yes, it was a straight up Halloween party, too. Our priest came dressed as a big green space alien.). A friend of mine showed up in a button down shirt and a pair of khakis. I asked him why he didn't dress up. He said, "I did. I'm supposed to be a Methodist."

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
                                Christianity is odd. >.>
                                I've yet to read about a religion that isnt, in some way.

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