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The first source was from CBS. Which is not FOX News and really should have satisfied people who want "proof" that this stuff is actually going on.
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The first source also links the debunked "evil goon protestors shove an old lady down the stairs" story, on Fox. I can't find any confirmation or corrobation of this story from any news source outside of Fox, CBS and a host of gleefull right wing blogs that are passing it around going "Look, see? I told you so!".Originally posted by IDrinkaRum View Post
There is nothing but the allegations from the food vendors. No arrests have been made and there are no suspects. The police haven't commented at all, despite death threats supposedly being involved. There isn't even a picture of the damaged carts with the article. There's the allegation + a Republican councilman leaping on it immediately to tsk tsk and point.
I don't doubt they got a few entitled dicks, as you would anywhere if you set up shop and gave out free food for a while then stopped. But how did they recieve death threats? Why are there no witnesses, no suspects, no pictures, nothing? How were the carts vandalized? Did they leave them overnight there?
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Fox doesn't even pretend to be news. They openly admit they are "entertainment."Originally posted by Gravekeeper View PostGood news! Your insurance company says they'll cover you. Unfortunately, they also say it will be with dirt.Comment
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Well, then I will no longer be accepting youtube as proof of anything. After all, anyone can post anything and videos can be edited so it's just not credible proof.Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship TroopersComment
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Don't be childish. Fox not being credible isn't exactly some new mystery, and it would take some rather amazing CGI skills to replicate some of the stuff seen on Youtube so far. Nevermind most incidents tend to have multiple angles shot from different people. Selective editing can only do so much.Originally posted by Greenday View Post
Unless you're suggesting Michael Bay is defending Occupy with Industrial Light & Magic? -.-Comment
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Well, someone did the moon landing filming, didn't they?
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Skepticism is one thing. Blanket rejection is another.Originally posted by Greenday View Post
Sources SHOULD be considered carefully for issues like editing, as the "gotcha" videos of Mr. Brietbart amply demonstrate.
I prefer to examine each source individually. When I look at video, I look at it through multiple lenses; I ask myself what does this video really tell us?
The problem with Fox News is they make no pretense of removing their bias. Therefore much of what I see on their "news" is suspect, and I'll double check their claims with other sources (and often find unedited video to boot).
Often what I find in You Tube videos, is the bias of the filmer is clear in the header of the video, but when you examine each second of film carefully, there is plenty more to it that what is initially claimed. The videos are accurate . . . it's the interpretation that often suffers.Good news! Your insurance company says they'll cover you. Unfortunately, they also say it will be with dirt.Comment
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Know what? Don't even bother trying to find even a middle of the fence POV news link. Some people are just going to absolutely refuse that there is any violence on the protestors' end, that everything is police brutality and fat cats trying to keep the "peaceful" protestors at bay.
Just like what happened in Madison last spring. No one was violent or made any threats. It was all security and the police's fault.
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Oh, yes, this does make perfect sense. I mean, certainly dozens of people are all collaborating to edit their videos to look the same, just from different angles. I mean, certainly there are that many people, who are that skilled with video editing, working to fabricate evidence against those opposed to OWS.Originally posted by Greenday View Post
And fox certainly didnt fight Tooth and Nail to maintain its status as "entertainment" just so it could continue saying any damn thing they wanted without having to be subjected to the same standards as a legitimate news source.
As someone else said, don't be childish. Throwing out all youtube videos is like throwing out all television news networks--lazy. Look through them, and find the ones that are giving you the unedited facts.Comment
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Is there a major news network taking the other end of the extreme on this? I haven't seen it thus far. Or are you referring rto people here? In which case you've evidently not been reading the threads.Originally posted by blas87 View PostComment
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If other people can throw out major news stations because they don't report what they want to hear, I can throw out youtube for bogus reasons too. Fair's fair.Originally posted by Duelist925 View PostViolence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship TroopersComment
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... Demanding corroborating evidence, or not wanting to believe something from an ENTERTAINMENT network, not a NEWS network, is hardly bogus reasons.Comment
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Youtube isn't a website for entertainment?Originally posted by the_std View PostViolence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship TroopersComment
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Are you seriously trying to claim that Youtube and Fox News are equal? Let's see...
User-driven content that ranges from the factual and educational to the entertaining and obviously fake... Versus a network that USED to be called news but the company fought a legal battle to be solely called an entertainment network so that they can say whatever the hell they want and have been proven to have a Republican/conservative bias.
Never mind the fact that has already been pointed out by Duelist - for most of this, if Youtube was not factual, it wouldn't be likely that there were multiple videos of an identical incident taken from multiple angles, as most people aren't invested enough in any of this to take the time and effort that it would require to falsify something that large. HOWEVER, Fox has every reason to only report on bits and pieces of the story to make it seem like the Occupy movement are nothing but hippies and morons because, if the general public starts to take the movement seriously, their lords and masters (the GOP) will start losing both influence and, more importantly to them, gobs of money.
So you tell me - which one is more likely to be an untrustworthy source?Comment
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An entertainment network that still reports news, just with a biased view. Doesn't change the core facts presented. Just how they represent them. If they go and report that a bunch of protesters are morons for specific acts of violence they are committing, the rudeness and bias they use to present that doesn't change the second half of the sentence. They are still committing violence.Originally posted by the_std View Post
Youtube is like wikipedia IMO. Anyone can post stuff thus it's not credible.Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship TroopersComment
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