What about the Johns?

[Rapscallion]

Prostitution has been done a few times. How about a thread specifically devoted to the clients of prostitutes? Mutually consenting agreement or conspiring to continue to debase women?

Your thoughts please.

Rapscallion

[SkullKing]

I think that depends on the condition of the prostitutes themselves.

The world "prostitute" is too general a term when you compare the sex workers from across the world.

There is a vast different between legal high class call-girls , and slavegirls forced into prostitution

[siead_lietrathua]

johns are all diffrent. some are men who, for apperance or attitude, can't keep a partner and turn to it as a resort. others are in dissatisfying relationships and use it as an outlet so they don't get frustrated. a few are into it for debasing women, perhaps, but not the vast majority.

[jackfaire]

I think some see it as fulfilling a basic need without having to follow a set of societal rules.

Say for example the prostitute in question is one that does it because she wishes to it's what of her own free will she decided to do for a living.

Now the guy in my mind is aware that our societal conventions are that if a girl just wants to have a good time she is a slut. Thus there are "rules" a girl has to follow to be wooed into bed.

Using a professional means the guy can dispense with jumping through hoops and simply have the good time he is looking for with someone that doesn't care what society thinks of her.

Plenty of women enjoy sex just as much as men but it's still considered bad for them to do so.

Now looking at the Johns specifically I would say the one the seeks out a legitimate female really just wants no strings attached fun.

The john that seeks out someone walking the streets could go either way. He could be a male of lesser means just looking for a good time or he could very well be a man that delights in taking a woman already in a bad situation and making her feel worse.

[Panacea]

I really don't think it's that complicated.

Men want sex. If they're not getting it, not getting what they want, or just plain get the urge, they pay someone for it.

Occasionally women want sex and will follow the same behaviors, but not as often (women are prone to finding ways to get men to pay THEM, not the other way around).

There is no deep thinking that goes into this about the effect it has on the prostitute (high class or slavegirl). The John just wants what he wants.

I don't mean to imply that men are animalistic or "bad" by saying this. It simply is what it is. No morality to it one way or another.

Personally, I think prostitution should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

[Andara Bledin]

Personally, I think prostitution should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

This, a million times.

There is no reason other than puritanical outrage that keeps it from being legalized. Unlike with drugs, I sincerely doubt that anybody but pimps profits form it being underground.

Legalizing prostitution would be advantageous for society as a whole, both in terms of health (physical and mental) as well as monetarily.

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[Ginger Tea]

Allthough I don't see it as something for career day, legalizing it takes out alot of the ugly underside that goes hand in hand with streetwalking.

No pimp's to get you hooked on crack to keep you tricking for more crack, legalized brothels with employees not sextrade slave girls, oh these would still happen, but if you could get your jollies safely with a girl who gets regular STD checks, what reason would you have for going to somewhere where an eastern european orphan is forced into it.

Aside from those orphans that are under aged ...

Strippers still get grief for their profession, but not as much as they used to I gather, hell we even had a strip joint open here in Cambridge a few years back, I don't know if it is still there mind, but it didn't operate, that I'm aware, like your traditional SOHO establshment of £15 drinks and buying drinks for hostesses, more the American flip your bills on the dance floor type affair.

A shags a shag as the old saying goes, we've had a similar discussion at work due to someone mishearing a comment I made about having to physically go oop norf to sign a piece of paper as they would not fax it.
"If I'm paying £80 (the rail fair) to see this woman (as I knew I would be dealing with a woman) she had better be cute." granted out of context and being the tail end of a conversation, it did seem like I was saying "I've paid £80 for an escort and by gum she had better be fit." and I had one of the new Chef's extolling the virtues of a happy ending massage parlour vs the dating scene.
"You know for £whatever, you are gonna get laid, with a girl in a club you could spend tonnes of cash on drinks and she might not go home with you."

So if you find yourself striking out more times than not and are getting blue balls, well why not, as long as she is over 18 or he if thats what you are after.
The only down side to legal brothels I can think of right now, would be that I know one guy who would fall in love with one of the girls.

[Greenday]

Well, I only know one person who does it. He's currently in Thailand so he can get it cheap. And he loves to demoralize the women he's with from the stories he tells me. He's also a douchebag in all other regards of social life so it doesn't surprise me.

As long as the workers are treated in a decent manner, I don't see a problem with going for prostitutes. They are people to and if the johns are disrespecting them, they are doing it wrong. Some guys (like my coworker) just can't get laid through good looks or charm so paying is their only option. They should have a safe way to get it out of their system.

[Panacea]

Can you imagine the Sucky Customer stories if they DID legalize it?

[Hyena Dandy]

Can you imagine the Sucky Customer stories if they DID legalize it?

I think I saw a website like that once.

[Lace Neil Singer]

There are some clients who are a problem; the ones who, while rarer than the regular kind, are a danger to street walkers. In other words, the serial killers who target prostitutes purely cuz they are a group that no-one cares about. There are quite a few serial killers who have only killed prostitutes; for example, the Yorkshire Ripper. Sad tho it might be to say it, none of the general public really gave a toss about the victims til a teenage girl who wasn't a prostitute was murdered.

[Eisa]

Hillside Stranglers, too, iirc...when they killed some prostitutes, no one cared.

Pisses me off so much, just because someone is out selling it doesn't mean it isn't a horrible tragedy when they're murdered.

But anyway. I think prostitution should be legalized...and the johns...well, I think if you're gonna look at prostitutes like they're horrible sluts, the guys visiting them aren't exactly perfect little angels led astray by temptation, now are they...

[bara]

Duece Bigalow.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Hillside Stranglers, too, iirc...when they killed some prostitutes, no one cared.

Pisses me off so much, just because someone is out selling it doesn't mean it isn't a horrible tragedy when they're murdered.

Exactly. Wilma McCann, the first victim of the Yorkshire Ripper, had four children. I'm sure they were devastated when their mother was murdered, even if no-one else was.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Personally, I think prostitution should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

I agree. There's all sorts of reasons people become sex workers, and all sorts of reasons people hire them.

I'm certainly not in favor of anyone being forced into it, or feeling like that's their only resort, or whatever, but what consenting adults want to pay each other to do should be legal.

Who was it, George Carlin said something to the affect that (and I paraphrase) "throw some Napalm on some babies and they pin a medal on you, give someone an orgasm and they arrest you." Yeah. that's messed up.

I'm really not sure why the handing off of money between consenting adults makes sex somehow dirtier.

I had a close friend (I say "had" not because we're no longer friends, but because he's no longer alive) who admitted to me he sometimes hired a prostitute for sex. He was a nice guy. A little awkward. Worked nights at a lonely job, came home to an empty house. He said straight up he was lonely and just really wanted some physical and emotional company for a while sometimes. Pretty simple situation. Not only do I not think less of him for it, but I don't think less of the sex workers that fulfill this need, either.