The Evil Known as Telemarketers.

[kibbles]

The posters who have said they reserve rudeness for those who are rude first or keep going way past the first rebuttal I understand their points exactly.

Anyone who dismisses a polite telemarketer as evil or is rude right off the bat, just don't get it and seems to be no better than the sucky customers that are complained about IMO.

[Zyanya]

Probably I just imagined being interviewed in the newspaper some years back for being the local go-to gal for anti telemarketing info, successfully suing companies that violate the TCPA, and generally running circles around and eventually spanking a lawyer in a courtroom that had been sent out to defend his company against me when I brought a suit against them.

Proof? Because if you were as familiar with the DNC as you claim, you would have known it doesn't apply to alumni associations.

Yep - you did say fairly early on that they have to cross a line first, and you've mentioned it a couple of times since...but the 'passion' (shall we say) for the those who cross the line comes off a lot more..(especially when you start going off on tangents - such as saying to Raps about living in a country with 'freedom of speech and religion, and allowed to defend yourself'... yeah - that doesn't really help your argument (especially when you consider that those 'rights' were fought for, and debated and argued in courts and all - so if you have them, it's because of that - not because someone yelled at the person in their face.... just saying...).

Try reading what I was responding to. I treated him the way he treated me. Same was as I do to telemarketers and everyone else.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Zyanya, nobody is trying to take away your right to treat people poorly, if that's what you want to do.

I'm just telling people who would like an alternative to that how they might put a dent in the amount of aggravation in their lives. I promise I won't send Evil Henchmen to your house to force you to take my advice.

[Slytovhand]

Try reading what I was responding to. I treated him the way he treated me. Same was as I do to telemarketers and everyone else.

Zyanya... I'm curious as to how come this is the only comment you can have to my entire post. I mean, damn, I thought I had a few ok points in there that might have been worth something... apparently not... oh well.......

I'll get over it...


somehow....

[Zyanya]

Zyanya, nobody is trying to take away your right to treat people poorly, if that's what you want to do.

I'm just telling people who would like an alternative to that how they might put a dent in the amount of aggravation in their lives. I promise I won't send Evil Henchmen to your house to force you to take my advice.

ROTFLMAO

Your advice was noted. Repeatedly. However, you, and others, show a marked tendency to ignore us also repeatedly pointing out that in various situations, your advice does not work.

I mean, damn, I thought I had a few ok points in there that might have been worth something... apparently not... oh well.......

The rest of your post was a rehash of stuff already said. If you would like to know how I feel about those points, please go back and look at the response I gave them the first three or four times they were raised. Or your point wasn't directed at something I had stated, thus I did not feel the need to respond.

But I imagine you were talking about this 'point' that you raised -

To think that there is a difference between "anger, hate and hostility" and "any consequences"? No... I don't think so. I don't see the world in pure black and white. There's a large gap in between 'no consequence' and 'anger, hate and hostility', and lots of ways to act.

Yep. Lots of ways to act. Please stop ignoring the repeated times I have pointed out that I am not rude until they cross the line. Why should I not be angry when someone deliberately sets out to interrupt my day after they've been asked not to? Why should I not be hostile when someone argues with me when I tell them not to call me again? Why should I not hate the persistent discourtesy, incivility, and downright rudeness they show me?

Because of the trite 'humans should treat humans respectfully' answer? Sure. I'll be happy to treat human beings respectfully up until the point they stop treating me respectfully.

Want respect? Give it.

That is really what it comes down to.

If telemarketers want respect, they should start having respect for the people they call. If they don't, then tough shit, they've lost the right to complain when people are rude back.

[Rapscallion]

And what was pointed out as a fact is that internet petitions are not considered valid and aren't given the time of day by politicians. So why should I waste my time?

What I'm more interested in pointing out is how you refuse to do anything about it, save for complain on here. There's a world full of people just like you who are desperate for a solution to this apparent problem. Why aren't you trying to mobolise people?

Then perhaps you should try actually reading my posts, because I've pointed that out multiple times.

Funny - I raised some points to you a while back, and you haven't addressed them.

This point has already been addressed.

The points I raised weren't.

This point has also already been addressed.

The points I raised weren't.

Completely useless.

Have you tried it? Why was it useless?

Same here. Amazing, but once I started going to the supervisor and being rude and demanding, it's incredible how many calling lists I got removed from. And since I got removed, the calls don't start back up again after they sell the list to someone else.

So why the heart-stopping emotion displayed in this thread? If you've stopped them with your very effective method, why are you still so passionate?

I honestly wish that wasn't the solution, but fuckitall, they are the ones who pushed and pushed and pushed, so I really don't give a shit who thinks I'm rude when I snap at the folks who call back after I ask them not to.

The folks or the companies? See, as I've pointed out before, it's the companies who make the decisions on who gets called, not the supervisors. It's not like the supervisors huddle in a corner and drag a name out of a hat. "Oooh! Let's make Zyanya's life a living hell by ... mmm ... let's try calling her phone!"

It's not them deliberately targeting you. The big bosses are going for all phones they can make their employees target, guided by the marketing drones. The big bosses and the marketing dudes who help make the decisions are the ones who are insulated by the layers of frontlines sales people and their supervisors.

They kept pushing. They keep pushing, knowing full well it isn't welcome. But they keep on, and keep on, and keep on. Frankly, they have no right to complain in the slightest about the backlash.

I thought your method worked? Why are they still calling?

Same here. I take an effective action, and they quit calling. See, they, and I, are familiar with the loopholes in the DNC and thus aware that most of the these guys cannot be sued, such as the alumni association you mentioned. So, fyi, there are those of us familiar with how the law actually works and you might want to keep that in mind when making your grandiose claims.

So, your method works, but they keep pushing? I'm confused by the opposition in your statements.

<SNIP>

(Which the fucktard variety telemarketers know, that's why they don't give out this information or give out false information)

So, now that the babblers are familiar with how the DNC actually works, maybe they can stop parroting the same old tired 'solutions' over and over and over again?

Well, I don't need to know how the DNC list works, since I don't need it. I've got a very effective TPS protecting me, and it does work. Why haven't you got something along those lines? Maybe you should work towards it, rather than doing nothing save for complaining here.

Heh - £5,000 fine if they call me, should I choose to pursue it and have it proven. I've since found out that it's not voluntary, but has governmental backing. Your politicians can be made to work for you. Saying anything else is a cop-out.

Want respect? Give it.

Yes, quite.

Rapscallion

[Zyanya]

What I'm more interested in pointing out is how you refuse to do anything about it, save for complain on here. There's a world full of people just like you who are desperate for a solution to this apparent problem. Why aren't you trying to mobolise people?

This has been answered already. And tell me, Rapscallion, in your world, does talking to other people about your viewpoints not count as trying to get people to mobilize?

Funny - I raised some points to you a while back, and you haven't addressed them.

If they weren't addressed, it's because they didn't qualify as 'points'.

So why the heart-stopping emotion displayed in this thread? If you've stopped them with your very effective method, why are you still so passionate?

Did you even bother to read the thread? Never mind, I'm already aware the answer that question is no.

The folks or the companies? See, as I've pointed out before, it's the companies who make the decisions on who gets called, not the supervisors. It's not like the supervisors huddle in a corner and drag a name out of a hat. "Oooh! Let's make Zyanya's life a living hell by ... mmm ... let's try calling her phone!"

OOooo! Let's play with Rapscallions double standards! I'll make the lives of telemarketers a living hell by *gasp* sternly demanding they not call me again and remove me from their mailing list! Then I'll *gasp* say I dislike them in an internet forum! Oh teh noes !!!11eleven! The horror! Oh the huge manatee!!!!!

Seriously boy, apply some logic already. The double standards in your posts are so ridiculous they aren't even funny anymore.

I thought your method worked? Why are they still calling?

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, Raps, but more than one telemarketing agency exists. Why, there are hundreds of companies out there that perform no service other than telemarketing on behalf of other companies.

So, your method works, but they keep pushing? I'm confused by the opposition in your statements.

See above.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Zyanya, going by the tone of the large percentage of your posts, I have to say I don't entirely believe you only are abusive to people who are pushy and won't take no for an answer.

I mean, the people here are people whose conversation you are actively seeking out, and I see how you respond to them.

I mean, I can certainly respect being passionate about a viewpoint, and I can certainly understand feeling no great obligation to be nice to people who intrude uninvited into your life. Just remember that the folks here are not those people.

For the rest of you, she's right. Certain types of telemarketer are not subject to the same rules under the DNC registry or the TCPA. They are not obligated to maintain a do not call list. However, it's not correct that they cannot be sued. Everyone can be sued for anything. You likely will not win if you do sue, but believe you me you can sue. Now, whether or not a company wants to open up that sort of can of worms is an entirely other matter.

Consider: The alumni association I mentioned is not obligated by law to maintain a DNC list. However, being a reputable organization, guess what? They keep one voluntarily. How do I know this? Because my standard protocol when getting a telemarketer on the phone is to request a copy of their DNC policy and a signed and dated letter on their company letterhead stating that they have promised not to call me again. The AA that called me is local to me. I could very, very easily strongarm them to giving me a letter. However, I didn't have to. Once I explained the situation, and the consequences, they sent me the paperwork I requested straightaway. It's in my rolltop desk right now.

Here's the kicker: the peons in the office on the phones have no clue about telemarketing law. Most telemarketers don't. If you ask them if they are familiar with the TPCA, you get an "uhhhh....". It's extremely easy to bluff someone if you are knowledgable about something they are mostly ignorant of.

So basically, I got a signed paper from them saying they wouldn't call me again. And you can take it to the bank that if they do, they will be hit with a warrant to appear in civic court. And I will request a jury trial.

First of all, the AA is not going to want to go to court. Even if they will win (and they may not realize the law's on their side. You can almost always count on the ignorance of others to work out in your favor.) They will do what they have to to avoid it.

If they call my bluff and don't avoid it, one of two things happen. Either I lose, which is no harm to me but a mess for them for even having to show up and be hassled with it, or I win because someone didn't know the details of the law (not entirely unlikely) or because I am basically holding a signed contract in which they agreed to not call again.

Either way, more trouble than they want. Which is probably why they are maintaining a list in the first place. To cover their asses.

It's not just about what on the lawbooks. It's about human nature, other people's aversion to trouble, and how smoothly you can spin out some bullshit.

[Rapscallion]

This has been answered already. And tell me, Rapscallion, in your world, does talking to other people about your viewpoints not count as trying to get people to mobilize?

Try reading the back end of http://www.fratching.com/showthread.php?p=9886#post9886 - the only one there that's somewhat spurious (mostly because I liked the image) is the one about capital crimes. Please show where you addresses those points, because there are no satisfactory answers that I could find.

If they weren't addressed, it's because they didn't qualify as 'points'.

The above doesn't qualify as a point.

Did you even bother to read the thread? Never mind, I'm already aware the answer that question is no.

I did read the thread. I couldn't find the answers.

OOooo! Let's play with Rapscallions double standards! I'll make the lives of telemarketers a living hell by *gasp* sternly demanding they not call me again and remove me from their mailing list! Then I'll *gasp* say I dislike them in an internet forum! Oh teh noes !!!11eleven! The horror! Oh the huge manatee!!!!!

I doubt it makes their lives a living hell - I'm sure they put up with that sort of thing all the time. Just another abusive response.

Seriously boy, apply some logic already. The double standards in your posts are so ridiculous they aren't even funny anymore.

What double standard? I don't get calls because there are laws in place due to public dislike of telesales. You get them because there aren't sufficient laws in place. You could campaign to do something about them, but apparently signing a petition isn't enough so you did ... I can't seem to find out what you did.

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, Raps, but more than one telemarketing agency exists. Why, there are hundreds of companies out there that perform no service other than telemarketing on behalf of other companies.

I was hoping you'd admit this, since it's proof that your system over there doesn't work. Scream and shout at one company, there's going to be another one to take their place. Hey, apparently they do - look at that!

You raise your blood pressure with one person, and someone will be dialling shortly after. As I've said before, the solution is with your politicians. The money the companies make is useless to the politicians if they don't get the votes.

See above.

Et tu.

Rapscallion

[Zyanya]

I mean, the people here are people whose conversation you are actively seeking out, and I see how you respond to them.

Yep. See how I respond to folks who misrepresent me, call me names, etc....

I did read the thread. I couldn't find the answers.

Try again with your eyes open.

I don't get calls because there are laws in place due to public dislike of telesales. You get them because there aren't sufficient laws in place.

Now try addressing this to what I actually showed as your double standard instead of playing games.

Namely - You think it's swell when telemarketers are rude to me and I should just bend over and take it, cause how dare I be stern to folks who call uninvited and rude to folks who treat me rudely. Cause that is the part I just don't get. Come on Raps. No dancing around the subject this time. Actually address what I actually write. I know they speak English in the UK, it's not that hard.

It took YEARS for the legislature to pass the loophole riddled DNC. Meanwhile, I want this particular company to stop calling me at 8 am after I've worked until 2 am, and I want them to stop NOW.

My solution works. Your 'campaign and wait ten years' solution does not. This really isn't a debatable issue, it's a cold hard fact. Sure, I can campaign, and speak with my vote, and I do. Has no effect whatsoever on what happens tomorrow, only what may or may not happen whenever the politicos decide the amount of mail they get on the subject weighs more than the fat check the telemarketer lobby gives them. For immediate results, my solution works. The companies stop calling me. For immediate results, your solution does not work, they keep calling until I get fed up and rude. I don't want to wait ten years to get this fucking donate to the starving Canadians funds to stop calling during the baby's naptime. I want him to stop, and stop NOW. My solution will let my baby sleep in peace tomorrow. Your solution MIGHT allow him an afternoon nap when he is ten.

Get it yet, or do I have to spell it out for you another twelve times?

[Rapscallion]

Try again with your eyes open.

I did. You didn't address those points that I could see.

Now try addressing this to what I actually showed as your double standard instead of playing games.

Namely - You think it's swell when telemarketers are rude to me and I should just bend over and take it, cause how dare I be stern to folks who call uninvited and rude to folks who treat me rudely.

Where did I say that? You're just putting words into my mouth.

Cause that is the part I just don't get. Come on Raps. No dancing around the subject this time. Actually address what I actually write. I know they speak English in the UK, it's not that hard.

I even type in it. You're not reading in it.

To put it quite simply for you, I don't think that telesales should be allowed. That's something I didn't bother mentioning earlier, because it's not really relevant to my debating points. However, as I did point out, effective legislation is the only way to go. It worked over here.

It took YEARS for the legislature to pass the loophole riddled DNC. Meanwhile, I want this particular company to stop calling me at 8 am after I've worked until 2 am, and I want them to stop NOW.

Another one, as you have acknowledged, will spring up to take their place.

Your system offers short-term relief - that's all. It's not a cure.

My solution works. Your 'campaign and wait ten years' solution does not.

See above for how effective yours is. The phone goes down, and soon enough it rings again from another company. That's not effective.

As to ten years, I don't know how long it would take. I'd like you to back that figure up.

This really isn't a debatable issue, it's a cold hard fact.

Cold hard fact? I've just refuted your points. What I do know to be fact is that in the year and a bit since I moved into my new place, putting myself on the TPS immediately, I've had one telesales call. He nearly shat himself when he found out I had registered, and I got on with my life.

Effective legislation works.

Sure, I can campaign, and speak with my vote, and I do. Has no effect whatsoever on what happens tomorrow, only what may or may not happen whenever the politicos decide the amount of mail they get on the subject weighs more than the fat check the telemarketer lobby gives them. For immediate results, my solution works.

Until the next company calls.

The companies stop calling me.

Until the next company calls.

For immediate results, your solution does not work, they keep calling until I get fed up and rude.

It works for me. If someone calls and I'm covered by the TPS, they wet themselves quite promptly.

I don't want to wait ten years to get this fucking donate to the starving Canadians funds to stop calling during the baby's naptime. I want him to stop, and stop NOW. My solution will let my baby sleep in peace tomorrow. Your solution MIGHT allow him an afternoon nap when he is ten.

Then do it for his children, and even for his adult life. Unless you take action, nothing is going to change. By inaction, you're condemning your child to what you consider to be phone-based misery.

Get it yet, or do I have to spell it out for you another twelve times?

I get it. You want our vindication to be nasty without doing anything effective, got it.

Please try refuting the points at the bottom of this link. I pointed it out to you in the last post I made, and you've ignored it.

Rapscallion

[Zyanya]

Where did I say that? You're just putting words into my mouth.

In the post you linked to. You know, the one where you called me a bully for getting angry after they'd called me after being asked not to and I said I ask for a supervisor and demand to be removed from the calling list.

Your system offers short-term relief - that's all. It's not a cure.

It took YEARS for the legislature to pass the loophole riddled DNC. Meanwhile, I want this particular company to stop calling me at 8 am after I've worked until 2 am, and I want them to stop NOW.

My solution works. Your 'campaign and wait ten years' solution does not. This really isn't a debatable issue, it's a cold hard fact. Sure, I can campaign, and speak with my vote, and I do. Has no effect whatsoever on what happens tomorrow, only what may or may not happen whenever the politicos decide the amount of mail they get on the subject weighs more than the fat check the telemarketer lobby gives them. For immediate results, my solution works. The companies stop calling me. For immediate results, your solution does not work, they keep calling until I get fed up and rude. I don't want to wait ten years to get this fucking donate to the starving Canadians funds to stop calling during the baby's naptime. I want him to stop, and stop NOW. My solution will let my baby sleep in peace tomorrow. Your solution MIGHT allow him an afternoon nap when he is ten.

Get it yet, or do I have to spell it out for you another twelve times?

Since you haven't bothered to read the above, I'll just repeat it.

As to ten years, I don't know how long it would take. I'd like you to back that figure up.

It was suggested in 1991.

It began operations in 2003

It was actually held up in 2004

They created a bunch of loopholes for it in 2005

It actually started being enforced in 2006.

So, my bad, fifteen years.


I do not want to wait fifteen years to get the company that won't take 'please don't call again' for an answer to stop. I want them to just stop, and stop now. If they don't, I will be as rude as I need to to make them stop. It is a far better solution than waiting fifteen years for the legislature to catch up.

So, Rapscallion, what solution do you offer to get the 'non-profit' that has now called me three times to stop calling?

1 - We aren't interested, please remove me from you calling list
2 - As I asked last time, please remove me from your calling list, we are not going to....ma'am, I am not going to argue with you, remove me from your...ma'am, I don't care, I am not going to donate, ma'am, ma'am, CLICK
3 - Don't pick up, oh, look, now they are calling back three times a day.

The above didn't work.

So, what solution to this particular company do you offer? I don't have an address for them. The number in my caller ID does not provide a way to reach anyone. So what solution do you offer?

What solution do you have? I'll happily try it.

Otherwise, I'm going to go with my, -

4 - I need to talk to your supervisor and you can let me do that or you can listen to me scream at you, your choice. Then firmly demand the supervisor remove me, and remove me now, or he can listen to me scream at him or his employees every single time they call.

We will see whose solution, yours or mine, gets the calls to stop faster. Okay?

Actually answer the question this time. How should I get this particular telemarketer to not call me again tomorrow?

Then do it for his children, and even for his adult life. Unless you take action, nothing is going to change. By inaction, you're condemning your child to what you consider to be phone-based misery.

Literacy isn't your strong point, is it? I already said I campaign. I've also said I don't want to wait 15 years for the campaigning to be effective when a company is calling me today. You seem to be under the delusion I can only take one path, bend over and take it while voting. No thanks dear, I'm going to vote and demand they remove me from the list NOW.

[Rapscallion]

In the post you linked to. You know, the one where you called me a bully for getting angry after they'd called me after being asked not to and I said I ask for a supervisor and demand to be removed from the calling list.

I never said it was swell. I'm quite happy to describe your behaviour as unacceptable, but I never said it was a good thing for you to take it from them.

I have repeatedly said that you should campaign and do something about it. All you've admitted to doing in that time is signing a petition, which I take to mean you didn't start.

It took YEARS for the legislature to pass the loophole riddled DNC. Meanwhile, I want this particular company to stop calling me at 8 am after I've worked until 2 am, and I want them to stop NOW.

Once again, and I can see myself repeating this frequently, another company (by your own admission) will start to call. The problem continues.

My solution works.

For one call, then another company calls.

Your 'campaign and wait ten years' solution does not.

First, I never said ten years. Once more putting words into my mouth.

Second, I don't know how long it took over here, but it does work. The only calls I get are relevant, save for one panicked telesales person in recent memory. Cold, hard fact.

This really isn't a debatable issue, it's a cold hard fact. Sure, I can campaign, and speak with my vote, and I do.

Enlighten me - just what do you do to this end? Have you picketed the politicians in your local council/governmental body? Organised a letter-writing campaign to senators?

Has no effect whatsoever on what happens tomorrow, only what may or may not happen whenever the politicos decide the amount of mail they get on the subject weighs more than the fat check the telemarketer lobby gives them. For immediate results, my solution works. The companies stop calling me. For immediate results, your solution does not work, they keep calling until I get fed up and rude. I don't want to wait ten years to get this fucking donate to the starving Canadians funds to stop calling during the baby's naptime. I want him to stop, and stop NOW. My solution will let my baby sleep in peace tomorrow. Your solution MIGHT allow him an afternoon nap when he is ten.

The fat cheque means nothing to the politician if he or she doesn't get the votes. Immediate results mean nothing, if as you say another company fills the void.

So, it might allow him a nap in the future. Don't you owe him the chance? Just what do you do towards this end?

Get it yet, or do I have to spell it out for you another twelve times?

Depends how often you want to avoid the questions I raised earlier.

Since you haven't bothered to read the above, I'll just repeat it.

Apparently you are just going to ignore the questions I raised.

It was suggested in 1991.

It began operations in 2003

It was actually held up in 2004

They created a bunch of loopholes for it in 2005

It actually started being enforced in 2006.

So, my bad, fifteen years.

So what that says to me is that you have a legal framework in place. You can work on getting that strengthened. Shouldn't take as long this time, if you work at it.

I do not want to wait fifteen years to get the company that won't take 'please don't call again' for an answer to stop. I want them to just stop, and stop now. If they don't, I will be as rude as I need to to make them stop. It is a far better solution than waiting fifteen years for the legislature to catch up.

You want the one calling to stop now, or all of them to stop now? One's attainable, but at the very real risk of repeating myself, another one fills that void. You have the chance to try and stop them for good. I never said it was an overnight cure, but it's something to aim at.

So, Rapscallion, what solution do you offer to get the 'non-profit' that has now called me three times to stop calling?

1 - We aren't interested, please remove me from you calling list
2 - As I asked last time, please remove me from your calling list, we are not going to....ma'am, I am not going to argue with you, remove me from your...ma'am, I don't care, I am not going to donate, ma'am, ma'am, CLICK
3 - Don't pick up, oh, look, now they are calling back three times a day.

The above didn't work.

Funny - we have laws over here that do work. Telesales companies shit themselves when they hear a place is covered by the TPS.

Try and get laws that work. If you try and fail, at least you tried. If you try and succeed, it's major amounts of karma.

So, what solution to this particular company do you offer? I don't have an address for them. The number in my caller ID does not provide a way to reach anyone. So what solution do you offer?

What solution do you have? I'll happily try it.

I've already offered it. The only viable long-term solution is through your legal framework.

You don't seem too keen to go for that.

Otherwise, I'm going to go with my, -

4 - I need to talk to your supervisor and you can let me do that or you can listen to me scream at you, your choice. Then firmly demand the supervisor remove me, and remove me now, or he can listen to me scream at him or his employees every single time they call.

We will see whose solution, yours or mine, gets the calls to stop faster. Okay?

Of course, that company stops and another starts calling.

Actually answer the question this time. How should I get this particular telemarketer to not call me again tomorrow?

That's never been my aim in this - I aim for getting rid of all telesales calls. That requires actual work.

Literacy isn't your strong point, is it? I already said I campaign.

As I asked above, exactly what do you do? All I've seen in here is that you signed a petition. What else? Ever organised a group mailing of many interested people to your legislators? My workplace's Amnesty group participates in such on a regular basis. They have a proven track record - admittedly it's not quite the same thing, since they concentrate on political prisoners incarcerated for no real crime and left in solitary confinement, sometimes tortured, and the like, but they help to get results.

I've also said I don't want to wait 15 years for the campaigning to be effective when a company is calling me today. You seem to be under the delusion I can only take one path, bend over and take it while voting. No thanks dear, I'm going to vote and demand they remove me from the list NOW.

So, you're not willing to do anything to deal with it permanently. A permanent solution will take time - I've never claimed otherwise. Mind, if it will take fifteen years, it's best to start now.

Rapscallion

[Zyanya]

So, you're not willing to do anything to deal with it permanently. A permanent solution will take time - I've never claimed otherwise. Mind, if it will take fifteen years, it's best to start now.

Okay. Sure. I've started. Like I've already pointed out a dozen times.

Now, answer the question -

How should I get this particular telemarketer to not call me again tomorrow?

[Rapscallion]

You could always get creative and have fun.

http://www.customerssuck.com/board/s...t=25303&page=3

I did.

You don't have to be rude. Creepy and so forth can be so much more fun, as well as being far cleverer than them. Great icebreaker at parties! It's not instant, but even your method hasn't worked initially, I would imagine - from my experience, the more persistant companies will try and call you again without respecting the request to remove someone from their list. Mind you, I only ever logged one company's efforts at calling two or three times every week.

Those were at the shop when I was back in retail - I had quite a few routines. We actually bought off about three people who called up, and it did save us money. The Universal Utilities company, though, was famous for calling either two or three times a week (I got round to logging their calls, and a judge of my acquaintance at the time reckoned I had a case for harassment - half of their goods for sale was a gas supply, and our shop didn't even use gas) through different companies they outsourced their work to. The other callers called perhaps every couple of months or so, which we didn't really care about, but UU were special. I even had their regional sales manager call me 'unprofessional' when an irate rep phoned him up in front of me. There's quite a bit more to the tale. None of it worked overnight, but it worked.

I was never abusive to the people on the phone. Let's face, during their formative years, none of them sat in a group and decided on their futures.

"I want to be an astronaut."
"I want to marry a prince!"
"I ... want to phone people up and try to sell them stuff."

Can't see it. I've done cold-calling - canvassing door to door - back when I was young and needed the money. It wasn't something I wanted to do, but the job market at the time sucked majorly. I got out of it as soon as I could. I'm not saying that I have every sympathy for them, but I don't blame them for trying to do a job on what is almost certainly a temporary basis. They're replaceable, and after sufficient abuse they will be replaced. Abusing frontline employees (both the initial caller and the supervisor) only burns them out, it doesn't stop the problem.

So, back to the questions you're avoiding. What campaigning on the issue have you done? What are you doing? Will I have to ask this a dozen times?

Getting one company to stop calling you isn't the problem, though. Getting them all to stop calling you is, because another one will fill the gap left by the one you abused into submission.

Rapscallion