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    This could have fit anywhere but I picked here.

    I was listening to talk radio today and a discussion of selling body parts for money was going on. The host (not Rush but someone filling in for him) stated his view that if a person was of sound mind and body and wanted to sell a kidney or lung or whatever, and could find someone willing to pay for it, then he was basically selling his "property" (i.e. his body) and that shouldn't be against the law.

    I do agree with that line of reasoning, although I would put in some more requirements in than just someone deciding willy-nilly some day to sell their body/parts (prostitution can probably be roped into this as well so I worded it that way). It should be something similar to what transgendered people do, having to have a full battery of tests, physicals, and psychological evalutions to ensure that things would proceed well and be healthy and everything.

    However, of course, on the radio show, plenty of people were calling in to argue that point, which I didn't really listen to except to acknowledge that a lot of folks are really against people selling their own body, however, it did raise this question in my own mind.

    Men can get paid to make donations to sperm banks, and women can have their eggs harvested for other people to buy and use, and yet a minority of people have issues with that. Most consider these sorts of donations a good thing that can be done for people that couldn't do them for themselves. So why is it that this practice is considered acceptable but not selling, say, a kidney?

    All right, you could make the argument "Eggs and sperm aren't vital organs, if something happens to the rest of your eggs or sperm, you won't die from being without them." And I'll accept that, that's a good argument. However, if an adult knows that they could be shooting themselves in the foot some time down the road and accept that, why should we tell him he doesn't have the right to?

    And along the same lines, selling eggs and sperm could be considered WORSE than selling organs. If you sell your kidney, you're only getting rid of a part of yourself, you're the only person directly affected by that. But when you sell eggs and sperm, those eggs and sperm are going to be used to hopefully create children...so in some sense, you're actually selling parts of OTHER people rather than a part of yourself. So it seems that in some light that it's okay to sell OTHER people, but not yourself. (I'm just presenting how I see it, you might not agree...that's what the site is for, after all!)

    I just find the entire issue mindboggling, to be honest, interested in some of the thoughts on it outside of my head.

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    Well I'll have to agree with you on your comment about if a resonable and responsible person wants to sell a part of themseves (or themselves ala prostitution) and can show they understand and accept the consequences of their actions then they should be able to do so. Especially since there are waiting lists for organ donors.

    The harm from sperm and egg donations I'll agree can be quite different as you are basically creating another person totaly with that. I have read of cases where people have wanted to try and go after the sperm donor for child support for example.

    The biggest problem with commercialization of organs is that the recipients might become those who can most afford an organ than those who most need an organ. Better to fund and invest in research for cloning and artificial organs. Why go for natural replacement when eventually you could clone a super liver? Able to filter toxins of all sorts out.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rahmota View Post
      The biggest problem with commercialization of organs is that the recipients might become those who can most afford an organ...
      ... and they'll be buying from the poor and the otherwise down-and-out.

      I can see the following scenario at the welfare office:

      Person: I lost my job and I have no money for food. Can I possibly get food stamps for a few months until I get back on my feet?
      Caseworker: Sorry, but your assets are way too high... that spare kidney and lung you're carrying around are worth some big bucks. Don't come back here until you're out of organs.

      Sure, it sounds silly now...

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      • #4
        TnT: Shhh! Don't give them any ideas. You are right it may sound ludacris and impossible right now but given half a chance I could see it happening.

        Thats why cloning and artificial organ research would be very cool, scary and potentially dangerous but cool. Imagine somethign out of star trek where you can vat grow a custom liver that filters all harmful toxins out, a replacement kidney, lung or even heart or other muscles and organs.

        True it could get wierd as people try and abuse it. Professional sports would be scary as artificial muscle mass or chemically/genetically augmented folks get involved. Warfare might go back to having the foot soldier as most important again. And lets not even go down the path of cosmetic enhancements as given the amount of kinks people do given the technology now......

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MystyGlyttyr View Post

          Men can get paid to make donations to sperm banks, and women can have their eggs harvested for other people to buy and use, and yet a minority of people have issues with that. Most consider these sorts of donations a good thing that can be done for people that couldn't do them for themselves. So why is it that this practice is considered acceptable but not selling, say, a kidney?

          All right, you could make the argument "Eggs and sperm aren't vital organs, if something happens to the rest of your eggs or sperm, you won't die from being without them." And I'll accept that, that's a good argument. However, if an adult knows that they could be shooting themselves in the foot some time down the road and accept that, why should we tell him he doesn't have the right to?

          And along the same lines, selling eggs and sperm could be considered WORSE than selling organs. If you sell your kidney, you're only getting rid of a part of yourself, you're the only person directly affected by that. But when you sell eggs and sperm, those eggs and sperm are going to be used to hopefully create children...so in some sense, you're actually selling parts of OTHER people rather than a part of yourself. So it seems that in some light that it's okay to sell OTHER people, but not yourself. (I'm just presenting how I see it, you might not agree...that's what the site is for, after all!)
          Oh man...one I can see both sides of...

          I can sell my eggs, but not my fetus...why not? It's not yet viable; it's not yet a "real" person (depending on who you ask). Wait, I can abort my fetus, but not sell it? I can kill an unborn child, but not make sure somebody else, who has the means to support it, gets the chance to have a baby?

          My head is spinning on this one...

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