Another bullying related death, this time the victim is all right.

[SkullKing]

I understand the original incident is old, but there has been an update on the case I didn´t find any mention to this specific case on the forums.


http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/...ense-ca/?partn

I must confess this gladdens my heart.(not the bully being dead specifically, the judge's resolution and the way things seem to have ended)

The boy stood his ground, it is a sad thing that he felt the need to do so.

It is a good thing he did.

[fireheart17]

Gee, I really love the double standard going on in the comments there: bully picks on kid, kid fights back. And everyone is STILL condemning the kid who fought back!

Although there are a few comments there, one of which sums up my feelings accurately:

This is a sad case, but I feel Jorge Saavedra had every right to defend himself but I also feel it should have never gotten to the point that it did. Dylans parents dropped the ball by raising a bully; Jorge's parents dropped the ball by not making the school do something to protect their son. The Collier County School system and Palmetto Ridge H.S. teachers let a child be tortured on a daily basis, and the bus driver ignored what was going on for months. Even the Collier County Police Department knew he was being bullied as they had to go get Jorge to make him go to school when he was too scared to go, he TOLD them why he didn't want to go to school but they used their power to force him into a situation that scared him enough that he felt he needed a weapon to defend himself because no one else was going to help him out and he had no choice but to go into the land of torture everyday. If my kid was being bullied I would be at that school every day demanding something be done and I would be at the school board offices every other day. My voice would have been heard loud and clear
Shame on all of the adults who ignored this boys torment; they are the ones that should be prosecuted not Jorge.

ETA: Reading through more of the comments, people are asking "why not get the adults involved in this, or why couldn't he TELL someone?" Simple. Kids have been HURT for telling an adult, or they are threatened for same.

[kibbles]

I do not like the results of this case. Unless the other kid had a knife, the "victim" essentially got away with murder.

[Rageaholic]

Yeah some of the comments are rage worthy. Like this one (bolded for emphasis).

Stand your ground shouldn't apply here.. this is sending a message that if you're too big of a girl to fight after school, just kill whoever's about to kick your a--, and you'll get out of it...
All the fights after school I've been in, and witnessed, arrested or not, were never a felony charge. It's a little fight.. Glad to see our justice system still sucks heading into 2012

Too big of a girl? The kid didn't start the fight. He was hit on the head, which is deadly force.

Granted, the knife is overboard, but can you really blame someone for losing it after being bullied one too many times?

[DrFaroohk]

Unless the other kid had a knife, the "victim" essentially got away with murder.

You don't have to have an equal or greater weapon to be considered a threat. I'm guessing with 2 years on the kid and probably a number of lbs, he was enough of a threat anyway.

And not that I think it matters (you start a fight, you get what's coming) the kid DID seem to try and go out of his way to avoid the fight. How much must one really do before they can say "Fuck it, handling this my way."

Edit: Why does it matter how many times he was stabbed? I don't get it. He was probably dead after the first 1. Does more stabs make him more dead?

[kibbles]

Who is going to want to be friends with or associate with a known killer..much less a known killer who got away with murder?

[DrFaroohk]

Not murder. Defense. What else could the kid have done to avoid the situation?

[SkullKing]

I do not like the results of this case. Unless the other kid had a knife, the "victim" essentially got away with murder.

It was not murder it was self defense.

I know plenty of people who can kill other people without needing a knife.

The guy was stronger and meant him harm. He defended himself. No murder.

It is a shame he had to go trough this. I doubt this incident will go away, the boy will prbably need terapy.

but I applaud his courage. He did what needed to be done.

Who is going to want to be friends with or associate with a known killer..much less a known killer who got away with murder?

I would have no qualm about associating with him. Too many people bow their heads and suffer in silence. He stood up.

From what is in the article the kid is ok in my book.

I dedicate apart of my time to delf-defense because I believe that It is right to defend youself. If someone wishes to do you harm you do him harm.

It is a tragedy, buit at least they didn´t punish the victim.

[Greenday]

I'd love to have been there to actually hear the case, but from the way it reads, he definitely got away with murder. Stabbing somebody that many times? Hard time believing that it wasn't excessive self-defense. I got shoved around in middle school and high school but you didn't see me stabbing anyone.

[DrFaroohk]

lol but don't you know? In the event someone is inflicting violence on you, the best thing to do is turn your back and completely ignore them. that will make them stop punching you, kicking you, shoving you, and all the other forms of assault they take on.

[Greenday]

lol but don't you know? In the event someone is inflicting violence on you, the best thing to do is turn your back and completely ignore them. that will make them stop punching you, kicking you, shoving you, and all the other forms of assault they take on.

I didn't say I always just walked away, I just said I didn't murder anyone to get it to stop.

[kibbles]

It would be one thing if he returned a punch to the head and the other kid died..that would be a tragic case of self-defense IMO. But now I see him as nothing but a murderer and I would be totally understanding if everyone who knew him now avoided him. I know I wouldn't want to associate with someone like that, nor would I want anyone I care about to associate with a known killer.

[bara]

In the heat of the moment, repeatingly stabbing some one who is attacking you is understandable. The full on fight or flight instinct kicked in. He tried flight and it didn't work. That's the same reason why you don't corner any frightened animal. Did he go to far? I wasn't there to hear the testimony. But he tried to avoid the situation and even tried to walk away after the first punch was thrown.
In this case I'm going to have to go with the judge. The kid probably needs therapy now though.

[Iseeyouthere]

I do not like the results of this case. Unless the other kid had a knife, the "victim" essentially got away with murder.

The victim defended himself against a bully with a means he thought was necessary because nothing was done to help him. He was threatened to the point where he felt his life was in danger.
He reported it, he told others, but NOTHING was done.

And does the bully need a physical weapon to be a threat? PAH! Pathetic. A bully doesn't need a physical weapon to hurt others. Words of aggression can hurt just as much as any knife wound. But this just wasn't words... it was physical abuse as well.

That bully is looking more like a threat now. I'd take something to defend myself as well if nothing was being done to help me. Why? Because I want a way to feel safe. I don't want to go into a bus or school knowing I'd be threatened, taunted or teased. I want the feeling I can be safe here... because why would you go to these places IF THEY WERE NOT FUCKING SAFE?

Would this of lead to another victim committing suicide? I don't know, but there are a lot of stories that suggest other-wise.

I don't support the death of the bully, but this better well send a bloody message that bullying is a serious issue.
The kid defended himself against a bully. May not be the right way, but sadly, it often takes the loss of human life to SEE a problem AND then take the right steps to prevent it from happening again.

[DrFaroohk]

What if the kid never had a knife, and instead he died from a blow to the head from the bully? Would that be a better result? What if the kid just kept quiet, day in and day out, and just ignored it, and one day killed himself? Is that better too?

Eactly what set of conditions must be met for people to be ok with self defense? The way some of these debates go, nothing is ever justified! No wonder the bullies thrive - it happens in the schools because teachers are "too busy". That is, if you substituted the b, u and s with l, a, and z. Even here, someone stands up for themselves, and because they might have gone a little bit too far (as they are not trained killers!) in the heat of the moment they get labeled as a vicious murderer.