Another bullying related death, this time the victim is all right.

[RedRoseSpiral]

http://news.yahoo.com/7-teens-charge...174353443.html

I really wish this kid had a knife to defend herself with.

[Greenday]

I know this is injecting further emotion into this, but I find myself wondering what our very own Plaidman would have thought about this incident.

I wish he were here to tell us.

Perhaps if he hadn't been bullied so much, he would be.

Yeah, I fucking went there.

Except the main person who isn't on the same side as everyone else doesn't feel much emotion and going with a guilt trip is laughable. I don't feel guilt nor does it bother me in the least.

And I am officially done with this thread. It has gone way beyond rational discussion.

[Gravekeeper]

And I am officially done with this thread. It has gone way beyond rational discussion.

You trounce around with your own made up version of events, ignore everyone showing you facts to the contrary from the very witnesses and court documents themselves, then flounce off saying we're the ones being irrational?

Bravo, dude. Bravo. That's the same method of argument my niece used to use when she was 6.

[Greenday]

You trounce around with your own made up version of events, ignore everyone showing you facts to the contrary from the very witnesses and court documents themselves, then flounce off saying we're the ones being irrational?

Bravo, dude. Bravo. That's the same method of argument my niece used to use when she was 6.

Well, I'm seeing apples and orange comparisons, people using guilt trips as an argument. Explain to me why I should continue putting energy into it.

[Gravekeeper]

Well, I'm seeing apples and orange comparisons, people using guilt trips as an argument. Explain to me why I should continue putting energy into it.

Seeing as I have explained, a couple of times now, precisely why. Perhaps you should put a bit more energy into it. You're disagreeing with everyone here, you're disagreeing with the judge, you're disagreeing with the witnesses, you're disagreeing with the prosecution and you're disagreeing with the defence. You're doing this because......?

Yet you say we're the ones being irrational and letting emotions influence our opinions?

[Peppergirl]

Except the main person who isn't on the same side as everyone else doesn't feel much emotion and going with a guilt trip is laughable.

Interesting assumption.

[AdminAssistant]

You know, I was afraid to go to school for a few years. I was bullied and harassed by some other students, but that's not why I was afraid. Want to know why I was scared to death to go to school?

Here's why. Because that happened practically in my fucking backyard.

Those kids were bullied. The Columbine kids were bullied. But, hey, just kill the bullies! They're awful people anyway. Right?

[protege]

I was bullied a lot in elementary school, mostly just completely socially isolated as being unfit to speak to other humans (and my teacher told me that I needed to "be more social." Yep, I'll get right on that. It's not like my whole fucking class can't stand to speak to me or anything), but there was one girl who called me fat, stupid, ugly, and a freak of nature every day. Constantly berating and belittling me. I think the only reason I didn't snap was because of other things going on where--if I was gonna snap at anyone, it wasn't gonna be that bitch. And I didn't fear for my life from her.

Been there, done that. I took a *lot* of shit from people when I was in school. Nobody did anything about it--not my 'friends,' not the teachers...or even my parents. In fact, my parents seemed to believe that it wasn't a problem, and blamed *me* for it. Seriously? For the most part, I had nobody...and that's why I keep to myself, and usually don't exactly trust most people.

Many of those things happened in front of my parents. It was always passed off as "sibling rivalry" and I should "try not to provoke her." And if I fought back, I got in trouble because I was older.

I know what that's like. My brother was always an instigator. He couldn't leave well enough alone, and would do things to piss me off. I'd kick his ass, and then he'd go to mom...saying that I'd hit him for "no reason." That changed when my mom saw him blow a whistle in my ear...and I gave him a bloody nose.

[Eisa]

Been there, done that. I took a *lot* of shit from people when I was in school. Nobody did anything about it--not my 'friends,' not the teachers...or even my parents. In fact, my parents seemed to believe that it wasn't a problem, and blamed *me* for it. Seriously? For the most part, I had nobody...and that's why I keep to myself, and usually don't exactly trust most people.



I know what that's like. My brother was always an instigator. He couldn't leave well enough alone, and would do things to piss me off. I'd kick his ass, and then he'd go to mom...saying that I'd hit him for "no reason." That changed when my mom saw him blow a whistle in my ear...and I gave him a bloody nose.

High-five, I keep to myself a lot, too. I would like friends, but I don't really trust people. I can't. Too many times that's gotten me fucked over. And yeah, the whole "oh you should tell people" doesn't work when the people you tell don't believe you, don't care, or blame you.

I'm glad your mom saw that, at least! That's what pissed me off about mine, she would SEE my sister instigate it, and then tell me "oh, well, you should ignore it, anyway." Yep, I'll get right on ignoring the fact that she punched me or scratched me or sprained something. Somehow, that doesn't actually work very well.

[Andara Bledin]

Those kids were bullied. The Columbine kids were bullied. But, hey, just kill the bullies! They're awful people anyway. Right?

Actually, no, they didn't act out of bullying issues.

The plain fact is that Harris was a psychopath who wasn't getting the recognition he thought he deserved, and Klebold was the type to be dazzled by Harris' flavor of psychopathy. They weren't unpopular, they just weren't the right kind of popular. And as for bullying, they were the ones doing it, not having it done to them.

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[AdminAssistant]

Actually, no, they didn't act out of bullying issues.

The Westside boys did.

"Golden approached Johnson with a plan to scare some of the people who had picked on him at school..."

Just as a deterrent, I'm sure. Just to scare them. I mean, they didn't really mean to kill 4 kids and a teacher. It was just an accident. They were just kids. Right??

Look, I really don't care about how hard it was to reach out or that the police weren't cooperative or that the parents didn't realize how hard it was. There are still a thousand better ways to handle a situation than to bring a fucking weapon on to school property with the deliberate intention to bring harm. "I was picked on" or "I was bullied" is not a free pass and it's not an excuse.

[Peppergirl]

Except the main person who isn't on the same side as everyone else doesn't feel much emotion and going with a guilt trip is laughable.

And actually, if you read AdminAssistant's posts, she's pretty much on the same page as you. So, saying that the 'guilt trips' were aimed at you and tnat you're the only one on that 'side' of the arguement is, in fact, incorrect.

Also, because I have no problem admitting when wrong, I'll admit that my 'yeah, I fucking went there' was out of line. Posting whilst mildly intoxicated is bad.

However, my feelings about Plaid remain the same. He was bullied relentlessly and I do find myself wondering if that played some part in his suicide. Unfortunately, we'll never know. I should have perhaps worded it better.

[Kheldarson]

There are still a thousand better ways to handle a situation than to bring a fucking weapon on to school property with the deliberate intention to bring harm. "I was picked on" or "I was bullied" is not a free pass and it's not an excuse.

Except the kid in the OP brought the weapon for defense. So the argument of deliberate intention in this case is kind of irrelevant in this case.

[Rageaholic]

But this wasn't a massacre, this kid did not bring a gun and shoot people, and the pocket knive he used had no chance of a ricocheting and hitting an innocent. Had it been a gun than I would have felt differently as schools are no place for such dangerous weapons, but all I see is a kid acting in self defense when he had no where to run.

[Andara Bledin]

There are still a thousand better ways to handle a situation than to bring a fucking weapon on to school property with the deliberate intention to bring harm. "I was picked on" or "I was bullied" is not a free pass and it's not an excuse.

Such as?

What resources are available to a child who is being physically harassed and who fears he might be crippled or killed?

The appropriate response is to report it to the police, but the police not only did nothing about the attacks, they forced Saavedra to go back into the environment that he was so afraid of that he would go and hide rather than attend school.

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